It's time to buff Ninja - Yes it is.

[Typhoria]

Let me put this simply so the people arguing that ninja is fine can take a close look:

ST damage
1st) Drg
2nd) Mnk
3nd) Nin

AoE damage
1st) Mnk
2nd) Drg
3rd) Nin

I am sure everyone can agree every MMO has fotm classes. Every MMO also strives for balance. It is not particularly balanced for a melee dps class to be last at both st and aoe. Add in their other issues (tp, mudras, dull hw skills on longer than needed cooldowns), and I really feel ninja needs some tweaks. There have been many good suggestions in this thread even.

In mmo balance no one complains about a sub 10% difference.

[Adventica6]

In mmo balance no one complains about a sub 10% difference.

Except the people playing the said class, hurdurr.

Some people just shouldn't post.

[Viridiana]

Except the people playing the said class, hurdurr.

Some people just shouldn't post.

Because some people will complain about anything.

[Typhoria]

Except the people playing the said class, hurdurr.

Some people just shouldn't post.

Is this your first mmo? You should be glad that the gap is as small as it is, in addition to the utility NIN brings to groups.

[Pluvia]

Let me put this simply so the people arguing that ninja is fine can take a close look:

ST damage
1st) Drg
2nd) Mnk
3nd) Nin

AoE damage
1st) Mnk
2nd) Drg
3rd) Nin

I am sure everyone can agree every MMO has fotm classes. Every MMO also strives for balance. It is not particularly balanced for a melee dps class to be last at both st and aoe. Add in their other issues (tp, mudras, dull hw skills on longer than needed cooldowns), and I really feel ninja needs some tweaks. There have been many good suggestions in this thread even.

IF we want to compare dps now before 210 gear.
First you need to take all dps utility into account so with that.

ST damage
1st) Drg
2nd) Nin
3nd) Mnk

AoE damage
1st) Mnk
2nd) Drg
3rd) Nin

This comparison is based on progression while running a bard or machinist.

Right now Tp is the main issue we need fixed. We still need to wait to see how things scale throughout the content to see if any other problems pop up with ninja.

[MrCookTM]

Only semi related, but since this is basically a nin vs mnk vs drg thread I feel it's pretty interesting to note that BG just cleared A3s pre esoteric weapons with a nin/mnk setup, no drg. On a sidenote, it was also the first kill (afaik) with a pld instead of a drk.

[Arithomas]

Noticed something the other day. I asked a drg friend what was his str at? He's a ilvl 190 drg and highest str au'ra. He was at 1k str vs me 190 wildwood and highest dex nin was only at 990. Now, idk if this is a bug or a way to "balance things" but I found this odd because we both have highest stat points for our race yet he's 10 points ahead. We have the same pieces of gear on for our jobs. Idk if this is a bug or not. It's just odd

[RazeLandale]

I don't know if anyone proposed or suggested this, (just read the first few pages) but why not allow our poisons to affect our magic damage again? This would boost our single target and aoe damage again.

I always hated that nerf. Not because they nerfed ninja, because it was probably fair at the time, but how they did it. Nerfing your signature moves instead of lowering spinning edge potency or something.

[Kaze3434]

Noticed something the other day. I asked a drg friend what was his str at? He's a ilvl 190 drg and highest str au'ra. He was at 1k str vs me 190 wildwood and highest dex nin was only at 990. Now, idk if this is a bug or a way to "balance things" but I found this odd because we both have highest stat points for our race yet he's 10 points ahead. We have the same pieces of gear on for our jobs. Idk if this is a bug or not. It's just odd

better example; my bard(at the time) was at i178, while my ninja was sitting at 184, and they both had the same amount of dex. i think it was 914 or somewhere around that.

[RapBreon]

In mmo balance no one complains about a sub 10% difference.

0.o. I must be from some kind of MMO alternate dimension then. Because...I...I've seen some stuff man.