(Un)Official Summoner Feedback Thread [3.0 Edition]

[Akiza]

Every job in this game is an extension of its Final Fantasy III and Final Fantasy V version except Summoner. Summoner starts as an Evoker with the ability to harness the power of magical beings and using Fire, Earth and Wind spells. They should make it so we invoke the power of Ifrit, Titan and Garuda and gain all their abilities. As a Caller the Summoner should call Hydaelyn and tranform into the Avatar of the Creator Goddess of Light gaining the ability to use all elements and Light of Destruction.

[Inosaska]

My feedback on the job

-Remove archetypes on pets and give them unique abilities that can be used in a majority of situations.
-Add more pets.
-Remove the dots and add unique new abilities for the summoner itself that gears it away from arcanist.
-Add the ability to switch through abilities like when switching jobs to the summons themselves and use the summon to fight your battles while you cast supporting skills. Most of your core used abilities should be done through the pet and not the caster itself which would follow better in line with the summoner style from final fantasy.

If they did these the class could be a lot better and won't make it difficult to design new abilities in future expansions but as of right now they will run into a problem with making new abilities that will just push it further away from the core summoner style from final fantasy.

[Iromi]

So far my feedback..all I can say is this job does not feel like a pet class at all.

Losing interest fast Much rather have had our new EGI and such. I want to play a PET CLASS....not something that feels like some weird nuker...

[Akiza]

They need to remove pets from the Summoner give it an Evoker based with abilities revolving around invoking Primals as their base abilities.
Invoke Ifrit- gain all Ifrit hardmode abilities
Invoke Titan- gain all Titan hardmode abilities
Invoke Garuda- gain all Garuda hardmode abilities

Caller spell line
Since thier are no deities to call upon beside Hydaelyn we should gain Hydaelyn's permission to summon her.

[Bishop81]

All I want is the Carbuncles back. Either via pet glamor or as separate spells to summon them, as long as it's soon. How long do you want me to wait?!

/end rant

As for the talk of bigger summons ... it would be awesome if we have some other end-game activity than raiding and "classes" aren't confined to the needs of raiding.

They should have extra abilities (that may or may not be cross-class-able) that don't work in raids.

Then SMN can have their traditional big summons. No one is going to care if some big summon showed up at a FATE or Rank A Hunt. Maybe give it a cost so it won't be spammed and is instead a desperation move of sorts - e.g. A craft-able reagent that requires clusters depending on the Primal.

[Bman10119]

Make more/unique pets. the dots are great, nukes are fun. But i'd really love to have more options for summons and stick them all with one major job. titan could stay tank, ifrit should lose all his aoe's and become a major single target dpser, take away garudas knockback and contagion and give her more aoe. give contagion to a new pet that is entirely around supporting your abilities. a crowd control pet who uses slow, heavy, fear effects. a pet that has more dots. theres all kinds of options.

[Dyvid]

So far my feedback..all I can say is this job does not feel like a pet class at all.

Losing interest fast Much rather have had our new EGI and such. I want to play a PET CLASS....not something that feels like some weird nuker...

I'm in the same boat really. SMN has been my main since beta but 3.0 changes really seem like a step back, where they focus more of fixing class weakness instead of building on their strengths. No new DoTs, no new Egi's, and fixes that should have been made in 2.XX. Dreadwyrm Trance could have easily been made into a temporary Bahamut Egi that just ranges nukes for 15s then goes away. What stings worse is they took my idea of having a single target pet and AoE pet, then gave it to MCH

[Akiza]

I'm in the same boat really. SMN has been my main since beta but 3.0 changes really seem like a step back, where they focus more of fixing class weakness instead of building on their strengths. No new DoTs, no new Egi's, and fixes that should have been made in 2.XX. Dreadwyrm Trance could have easily been made into a temporary Bahamut Egi that just ranges nukes for 15s then goes away. What stings worse is they took my idea of having a single target pet and AoE pet, then gave it to MCH

I don't think SE can add more DoTs to the Summoner since they are more poison theme. SE took Summoner back to its original iteration where they have an Evoker and Caller spell line. The Evoking spell line invokes a summon for a single big attack thet does a black or white effect. The Callers spell line will summon something that sticks around for a limited amount of time does its thing for awhile do its singnature attack then leave.

As a PET CLASS Summoners should have stronger limited Pets or remove Pets altogether and make them spells where we invoke the Primals power use their abilities then Call the Primal for its big signature attack.

[Razzorn]

They need to remove pets from the Summoner give it an Evoker based with abilities revolving around invoking Primals as their base abilities.
Invoke Ifrit- gain all Ifrit hardmode abilities
Invoke Titan- gain all Titan hardmode abilities
Invoke Garuda- gain all Garuda hardmode abilities

Caller spell line
Since thier are no deities to call upon beside Hydaelyn we should gain Hydaelyn's permission to summon her.

Considering how the story Summoner ended at 50, I can easily see something like this happening. Not completely removing Egis as pets mind you, but absorbing them to give you temporary Primal like powers.

[Akiza]

Considering in 2.0 our artifact gear was called Evoker gearset and in 3.0 SE gave us the ability to evoke Bahamut. Now that our new artifact gear is called Caller gearset in 4.0 SE will give us th abiit to Call Hydaelyn or something along that lines.