Something need to be done about BAD DPS.

[averageamn]

And then FFXIV becomes overrun with Elitist twits and people turn elsewhere to find a more casual friendly MMO....yeah good plan, almost as good as telling people to go back to WoW.

It'd be a blessing for that to happen over the countless BRDs I've asked to put on The Wanderer's Minuet at 60 or NINs not using Huton on single target (or even worse, using Doton on single target). These are people who have "friends" and people who have never corrected them on their journey to 60 and will forever be bad DPS. If you are looking for a customizable chat room with an avatar, I reccommend Second Life.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

It'd be a blessing for that to happen over the countless BRDs I've asked to put on The Wanderer's Minuet at 60 or NINs not using Huton on single target (or even worse, using Doton on single target). These are people who have "friends" and people who have never corrected them on their journey to 60 and will forever be bad DPS. If you are looking for a customizable chat room with an avatar, I reccommend Second Life.

The problem lies in the jargon.

In this day and age, elitist means "capable". Re-read every post on the forums mentally substituting the two words and everything suddenly becomes clear.

[sirDarts]

I suspect what some need to realise, particularly with higher duties in DF at this stage, there are a lot of people still learning, still feeling it out. Not only the new content, but also a number of additional skills to integrate as well. For some jobs it's not just come up with an altered rotation, some are also hindered by movement, and the only way to get around that is to know the entire fight so you can decide best way to handle certain phases, not to mention when they'll start. We're not all super-geared either, which was quite the luxury for a long time. A little patience while people learn wouldn't go astray.

Most people won't care about others underperforming as DPS in lower content, unless it causes wipes. Just like most people don't care about healers and tanks underperforming unless they cause wipes.
But at least you will be able to help them, and they will be able to see that they are underperforming, before they hit actual hard content.

[Kerii]

I have mixed feelings about parsers inside of the game. I mean if we got a hit counter that gave a total over the course of the fight, that would be one thing... but what people seem to really want is scoreboard with players being given grades on how good they are. When this happens, how long will it take before "Prove that you can get B or better on ___ or insta kick"?

[averageamn]

I have mixed feelings about parsers inside of the game. I mean if we got a hit counter that gave a total over the course of the fight, that would be one thing... but what people seem to really want is scoreboard with players being given grades on how good they are. When this happens, how long will it take before "Prove that you can get B or better on ___ or insta kick"?

That would be only for raid content and statics. I'm pretty certain that people wouldn't want to throw around that 4 hour cooldown on a votekick timer, unless the person was truly a living potato.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I have mixed feelings about parsers inside of the game. I mean if we got a hit counter that gave a total over the course of the fight, that would be one thing... but what people seem to really want is scoreboard with players being given grades on how good they are. When this happens, how long will it take before "Prove that you can get B or better on ___ or insta kick"?

This is exactly how it should be used, tho. If an entire group is failing because of 1 person, it is only logical to remove said person. No need to take it personal, it is just..."different playstyles".

[Kerii]

That would be only for raid content and statics. I'm pretty certain that people wouldn't want to throw around that 4 hour cooldown on a votekick timer, unless the person was truly a living potato.

This is exactly how it should be used, tho. If an entire group is failing because of 1 person, it is only logical to remove said person. No need to take it personal, it is just..."different playstyles".

If you read what I've stated again, I'm not referring to farm groups, statics, or even duty finder groups where it's just getting to be unbearable. I'm talking about party finder where every single item in the list reads "Know the fight or be kicked."

[sirDarts]

I have mixed feelings about parsers inside of the game. I mean if we got a hit counter that gave a total over the course of the fight, that would be one thing... but what people seem to really want is scoreboard with players being given grades on how good they are. When this happens, how long will it take before "Prove that you can get B or better on ___ or insta kick"?

When the tank loses aggro on a frequent basis, they get kicked.
When the healer lets people die on a frequent basis, they get kicked.
When anyone fucks up mechanics on a frequent basis, they get kicked.

So both tanks and healers can get easily kicked for 2 reasons, while DPS only for one? Why? Why are DPS cared for better than babies?

[Fluffya]

SE could add a game in Gold Saucer so they can learn their rotations.

Something like Parapa the rapper. The skills to input scroll up at the top of the screen and they need to enter it.

It would be something that both casuals and more experimented players would enjoy.

[Terribad]

If you read what I've stated again, I'm not referring to farm groups, statics, or even duty finder groups where it's just getting to be unbearable. I'm talking about party finder where every single item in the list reads "Know the fight or be kicked."

So find another party?