Something need to be done about BAD DPS.

[Gugnir]

I only do 8 man content, including trials with my static daily. Leveling & daily roulettes are done with friends or fc mates. If you're Dfing its a lot like taking the bus. You could sit next to a hot mess, or a hottie. But if you're taking public trans when you can drive and select your passangers, thats kinda on you guy. Lower your expectations for the general public, there's a reason why its called duty finder. Leave if they're not up to your standards, no reason to pop a blood vessel over some one you're never gonna see again or shame them.

[RyuRoots]

Most players are stupid (since, after all, most people in general are stupid). Most players, statistically, are dps. Of course there's going to be overlap. No amount of handholding, parsers, or whatever else will really help most of those people. Best to just play with friends whenever possible and bail on a roulette that is truly a lost cause.

[Stupiduglytaru]

Recently I brought a laptop, created an alt and downloaded a parser.

My main character is on ps4, I have always been interested in my dps but no way to test.

Tested myself out found I was averaging 800 as a mch on a dummy (no food etc)

I made some alternations and have managed to increase my dps by a further 100 average, having this data available has made me be able to up my game and i will fuether test and improve.

[sirDarts]

Exactly. But people who care about it are either running a parser already or playing with someome who does.

Yes, of course. Most people who care about end-game content also use them. Most people in statics have at least one person who uses them. Etc.
The problem is, it's against ToS, and it's a 3rd party program which might not be up to date with patches, math wrong, etc.
It would be WAY easier if there was some way for people to check at least their own performance without the need of a 3rd-party program.

[Asierid]

It would be WAY easier if there was some way for people to check at least their own performance without the need of a 3rd-party program.

Which would be pointless to anyone except those on consoles. It won't change the fact that someone being lazy will continue to be lazy so long as there is nothing to point out how lazy they are being. Sure, it will help the handful that don't know how to set up a parser (really takes a few minutes) or someone who doesn't have access via a console, but that is about it. This "fix" fixes nothing in all actuality.

If you're going to put harsh DPS checks in a game that relies on group participation, we need a way to gauge those not pulling their weight and be able to make changes accordingly. It's quite simple. They're not doing it simply because the masses want to "play the way they want" and they don't wish to take a side. This is a amusing considering there is really one way to play (and gear) any of these classes in this game due to the lack of customization.

But hey, we also give losing teams trophies these days. What else is new. Just put the damn parser in the game already and let the player base sort it out.

[rje]

I only do 8 man content, including trials with my static daily. Leveling & daily roulettes are done with friends or fc mates. If you're Dfing its a lot like taking the bus. You could sit next to a hot mess, or a hottie. But if you're taking public trans when you can drive and select your passangers, thats kinda on you guy. Lower your expectations for the general public, there's a reason why its called duty finder. Leave if they're not up to your standards, no reason to pop a blood vessel over some one you're never gonna see again or shame them.

THANK YOU
Like that's really the crux of the issue, people are queuing into DF expecting clears or farming or people playing with complete knowledge and optimal abilities. Shooting yourself in the foot there. When did the community culture come to expect DF to be for people who knew what they were doing?! When I started it was FOR practice/learning. You used PF for clears/farming. Expecting optimal DPS from DF is frankly a fool's gamble.

Join an FC with other like-minded people. Make some friends. If you're in an FC where it's you and one other guy who 'know what you're doing' and you can't clear endgame content, quit and join another one. There's plenty of FCs out there dedicated solely to endgame and raids who certainly know what all the buttons do. If you solo this game expecting to magically be queued with random strangers who are as dedicated, knowledgeable and gud as you, your dissatisfaction is your own fault.

Edit to add: Honestly, friends and I all think SE should implement two different DFs, one for practice/learning and one for clears/farming. Put strict requirements on the second, make it VERY clear when you queue what you're queuing for, and that would probably cut out half the problem.

[abzoluut]

As much as I am a proponent for DPS meters, it won't be a magic fix for people that just don't give a damn.

SE stated numerous times that there is nothing they can do when someone gets kicked out of a party. It's the party's decision. So when they add an ingame parser, at least we'll have a valid reason to kick people.

There are too many people with this "I dont give a damn about my dps" approach. It's all cool. Add an ingame parser so everyone sees their glorious approach so people can decide whether to mingle with these people or not.

[sirDarts]

Which would be pointless to anyone except those on consoles. It won't change the fact that someone being lazy will continue to be lazy so long as there is nothing to point out how lazy they are being. Sure, it will help the handful that don't know how to set up a parser (really takes a few minutes) or someone who doesn't have access via a console, but that is about it. This "fix" fixes nothing in all actuality.

If you're going to put harsh DPS checks in a game that relies on group participation, we need a way to gauge those not pulling their weight and be able to make changes accordingly. It's quite simple. They're not doing it simply because the masses want to "play the way they want" and they don't wish to take a side. This is a amusing considering there is really one way to play (and gear) any of these classes in this game due to the lack of customization.

But hey, we also give losing teams trophies these days. What else is new. Just put the damn parser in the game already and let the player base sort it out.

There are different levels of laziness.
Some might not be lazy to get better, but are lazy to set up a parser.

Also you really sound like you are underestimating the amount of people playing on consoles.

And while I would be all for implementing party parsers, and just ban people who use the data to bully others, SE is completely against that idea. But there is little reason why they should be against personal parsers, or "DPS-check" minigames.

[Asierid]

There are different levels of laziness.
Some might not be lazy to get better, but are lazy to set up a parser.

Also you really sound like you are underestimating the amount of people playing on consoles.

And while I would be all for implementing party parsers, and just ban people who use the data to bully others, SE is completely against that idea. But there is little reason why they should be against personal parsers, or "DPS-check" minigames.

I am well aware that quite a few people do play on consoles and that this would benefit them greatly.

However, there are way more computer players than there are console players when it comes to the MMO market, just how it is. They -are- a small bunch when compared to the overall population. If you are too lazy to take five minutes of your time to set up a parser rather than spending those extra five minutes chain casting Blizzard and holding back the group, said person needs to adjust those priorities a bit.

But yes. Implement it, ban the douche bags. Let those GMs actually do something other than hovering over me for pointing out someone trolling a group and being able to hide behind a vague ruling in the ToS.

[Kayote]

A lot of players are simply new, possibly console players who dont really get its not an RPG to be played like any other single player FF game that came before it. They dont know about specific rotations or even trinity roles they have to play, particularly in group content.

I definitely think the game would benefit from adding class/job quests somewhere in the beginning to really go into detail on whats expected and how to do it. I mean HEAVY detail like how to hold hate and pop defensives for tanks. Or even how to efficiently DPS or come up with rotations with a specific class, etc. Healers .... um ... i dunno, how to prepare for heavy AoE's?

Those old enough to have played games like Chrono Cross know what im talking about.
https://youtu.be/caLTx52jEws?t=1m55s