Something need to be done about BAD DPS.

[Aeliott]

Something to consider, for new players mainly, EVERYTHING prior to Heavensward requires barely any significant input from you as a DPS. Hard Mode primals will get steamrolled by all the veterans doing their roulettes or Zetas or whatever while they don't have a clue about any mechanics and may spend half the fight dead. Even older extremes might be approaching that stage. Then all of a sudden they get to Heavensward endgame and Alexander rears its ugly head. Absolutely a bit of reading up helps, I'm not playing 100% devil's advocate, but DPS have it sickeningly easy at this point until Heavensward slaps them in the face. I agree they should do something to encourage people to play better (not just DPS, the tank class quests barely teach you about tanking, especially Marauder), but at the same time I'm not surprised newer players are reaching i180 in Alexander and performing poorly when everything prior to it is carried for you by people doing their roulettes or whatever. Of course 150 dps at i180 is a different kind of monster, but all the same...

[Miiu]

As soon as you hit lvl 60 you have to fight Maat before you can use the DF or PF :P

Joking aside there needs to be an ingame parser for people to test out rotations etc. Will the people who don't care about how well they do use it? Ofc not. But there are enough people who do care and want to see how well they stack up against others players.

[Obysuca]

As soon as you hit lvl 60 you have to fight Maat before you can use the DF or PF :P

Tbh, for 50-60, they could have it every odd lvl, so you'd get a new skill, lvl, do a Maat fight for "Hey. You got a new skill, I hope you practiced how to use it properly while you did dungeons."

[Twilite]

..lol yeah that would be fine if the target was only lazy people that are out DPS by a tank. But you won't stop there. Let's kick people that don't meet your high standards. Seriously who are you all trying to fool?

[CGMidlander]

..lol yeah that would be fine if the target was only lazy people that are out DPS by a tank. But you won't stop there. Let's kick people that don't meet your high standards. Seriously who are you all trying to fool?

That's an irrational fear.
If the DPS standards set by a person are too high, the person will find themselves with no one to play with.

The bar will be adjusted based on what works.
You can't fill a party if there aren't enough people who meet your criteria. However, if there are enough people who meet the criteria, then there is no problem and the bar is not set too high.

[Terribad]

Square doesn't want people to discriminate against people because they don't match the numbers.

That make's no sense (Not your explanation, his reasoning) since people are always going to be excluded with the parser or not. It's happening now "No first timers", "One wipe = kick", etc.
Just put the parsers in and all the bads/people that just want to relax can simply group with each other or continue using the DF.

With the way he nerfs everything to the ground so quickly subpar players are never going to get better. That's just fact with this game, so just let the people who want the clears use parsers since adding content that helps people learn their jobs doesn't seem to be an option with him. =T

[sirDarts]

The will and drive to improve your skills, be it DPS, tank, or healer, must come from the inside.

I totally agree with this, but sometimes you just don't know that you could be performing better.

As a healer I can easily see when I am twiddling thumbs and could be DPSing, and thus performing better, and when not.
As a DPS I have a problem seeing whether I am performing at the top of my possibilities, it is hard to tell whether it's worth to "waste" GCD for a DoT, or not, when to use GCD for a buff (like heavy thrust), whether it's worth to re-position to maximize a skill's damage, if that means that you will lose a second of doing damage. And so on.

There are many variables in a DPS' game-play. IMO way too many for an average person to keep in mind all the time without using a parser.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

..lol yeah that would be fine if the target was only lazy people that are out DPS by a tank. But you won't stop there. Let's kick people that don't meet your high standards. Seriously who are you all trying to fool?

Lol. This is what already happens anyway. If I want to kick you because of low dps I can do it all day long, due to playstyle differences.

I totally agree with this, but sometimes you just don't know that you could be performing better.

As a healer I can easily see when I am twiddling thumbs and could be DPSing, and thus performing better, and when not.
As a DPS I have a problem seeing whether I am performing at the top of my possibilities, it is hard to tell whether it's worth to "waste" GCD for a DoT, or not, when to use GCD for a buff (like heavy thrust), whether it's worth to re-position to maximize a skill's damage, if that means that you will lose a second of doing damage. And so on.

There are many variables in a DPS' game-play. IMO way too many for an average person to keep in mind all the time without using a parser.

Exactly. But people who care about it are either running a parser already or playing with someome who does.

[Onikimaru]

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I completely disagree, not everybody has to be perfect to do content and meet DPS checks, you just have to know how to read. Like "oh hey this is my strongest attack after this combo?, maybe if i use my buffs with it i can do more damage" Obviously there is more to it than that but using those grounds as a medium with the knowledge you gather from 1-60 you can pretty much be an average to higher tier DPS. And with how long it takes to get from 1-60 and how long this game has been out for, it is absolutely atrocious that some DPS do less than tanks(ones in an actual tank stance). Also if you didn't know yes DPS is key to everything...how did you come to the conclusion that nothing in this game requires DPS because as far as i have seen...everything pretty much does.

People will not stop whining because the people that do 300-400 DPS at i180 are wasting every bodies time and energy, people call for parsers because it is against the ToS to call these people out on it. Hell a ton of my friends haven't cleared BEX yet because of DPS, same with ravana, same with alexander normal, same with the other EX primals same with chrysalis. I do agree that the threads need to stop, but a lot of those bad DPS come to these forums, like the other day i saw somebody post a comment replying to something about a DPS check and they said they removed buff abilities from the hotbar because they "don't do much" and that they don't do positionals because the damage isn't worth moving for. If these people haven't noticed...you're holding others back and wasting peoples time. These threads will do more good than harm and hopefully make others aware of other peoples effort and time they've put in.

I myself have played every job(pre-HW). I can tell you right now that the only difficult thing about most jobs is their openers..that's it. Keeping buffs up hard?, put another hotbar on your screen and up-size it. Have trouble keeping up your DoT's and debuffs?, put them just above your hotbar, it's what i do to keep track of them(you can also activate a setting that lets you see only the DoT's you inflict. A little bit of thought goes a very long way and i thought of these things just after i hit 50, it's not hard to think.

I personally never complain and really do not care the majority of the time, but i definitely do sympathize with people that need to do these things with random groups, it can be very stressful and in some cases make people quit because they can't get things done. That is also another very big reason why people need to see how their performance actually is because it does lead to this game losing subscribers.

On a side note yeah it can get annoying when every party is farm only but given the information and feedback from a lot of people it's no wonder they're strict!. If it weren't you'd never ever get anything done.

[madolyn]

Not only are there a lot of people out there that dont know how to correctly play their job, but the amount of people who just blatantly ignore mechanics is amazing. did about 7 failed A1 DF runs today because people ignored adds or just didn't listen to explanations. Incredibly frustrating.