WAR love is out of hand. Twelve forbid the other Tanks stand out in any way.

[Disc]

I don't see how they are inflated.

If I do 830 DPS on PLD and the WAR does 1050-1100 DPS then that lines up with my numbers. The DRK getting the slashing debuff in one scenario but not in the other makes up for the rest.

You're not using controlled testing or factual values. You are using heresy to form an opinion.

[Iagainsti]

I'd like to point out that the war slashing dmg buff and the NIN couterpart do not stack btw.

[Phoenicia]

Snip.

You are overexaggerating the STR debuff. But yeah. PLD is very slightly ahead of WAR in physical mitigation, specially if they can time Sheltron with a tower shield. Also it is not about WAR "spamming" mitigation as much as WAR putting more oomf when mitigating each buster. I'm not arguing who is better though. I am saying the discrepancies (outside of DRK's gap between magic and physical) are negligible in all cases.

Also WAR MT / PLD OT has an overall DPS increase over the opposite. Trust me. Been this way since 2.0.

Snip

How is losing a 10% damage buff = 35-40% DPS loss? Explain to me the math. I also would VERY much love to see a 5 minute parse of a WAR pulling 1100 DPS outside of A2S. (AoE inflates DPS)

[Kaith]

You're not using controlled testing or factual values. You are using heresy to form an opinion.

Are you saying that the PLD number is too low or that the WAR number is too high? I was using the WAR parse numbers provided by someone in a thread on here. The PLD numbers I can go verify right now if you need.

EDIT: It was this post http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3205434. The links seem to be broken right now but it had the WAR at 1054 DPS iirc which lined up what with other people had told me and previous parses I had seen. The PLD damage lined up exactly with what I did on a dummy parse. So it seemed credible enough.

[Kaith]

How is losing a 10% damage buff = 35-40% DPS loss? Explain to me the math. I also would VERY much love to see a 5 minute parse of a WAR pulling 1100 DPS outside of A2S. (AoE inflates DPS)

Because it's not just the 10% debuff. It's the 10% debuff advantage gained by the other tank plus the difference between the WAR's DPS and PLD's DPS.

If you have a NIN to give the debuff to the PLD/DRK combination then the gap is reduced.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!

[Madepossible]

Totally agree with OP, Warrior is ridiculous right now! Square Enix, be reasonable - WAR is a TANK, not a DPS nor a HEALER.

[Disc]

Are you saying that the PLD number is too low or that the WAR number is too high? I was using the WAR parse numbers provided by someone in a thread on here. The PLD numbers I can go verify right now if you need.

Uncontrolled tests do not provide valuable numbers. You need the exact same gear/food/composition/skill/attributes/time, and both using equally optimum rotations.

You are overexaggerating the STR debuff. But yeah. PLD is very slightly ahead of WAR in physical mitigation, specially if they can time Sheltron with a tower shield. Also it is not about WAR "spamming" mitigation as much as WAR putting more oomf when mitigating each buster. I'm not arguing who is better though. I am saying the discrepancies (outside of DRK's gap between magic and physical) are negligible in all cases.

Also WAR MT / PLD OT has an overall DPS increase over the opposite. Trust me. Been this way since 2.0.

Halone STR down is basically a physical Storm's Path, it's huge. Ignoring stance against tankbusters a WAR is looking at IB+Raw 36%, IB+Raw+Veng 55.2%, or IB+Veng 44%. A PLD has Rampart+Shel 36%, Rampart+Shel+Sent 61.6%, or Rampart+Sent 52%. You could argue the value of Halone vs Storm's, but then you're looking at it on a per fight basis with emphasis on handicapped PLD. PLD OT sustained damage due to auto-attack bonus has potential, but PLD is prone to TP issues WAR lack. PLD OT in the past has only been more beneficial due to Unchained resulting in a lower DPS loss for WAR tank, and more enmity than a Sword Oath PLD.

[Verdan]

I'd be really surprised if Fell Cleave doesn't eat a nerf.

Also white mages too cause that always happens. But I don't think it's gonna be 500 after 3.1.

[Phoenicia]

Snip.

You totally chose to ignore Thrill of Battle. A direct increase of 20% EHP. If you think EHP is not mitigation you're just wasting time on technicalities. IB+ToB is an EHP increase of 50%. IB+TOB+Veng is an increase of 114%. IB+ToB+Veng+Raw is a ridiculous increase of 167%.

Outside of Inner Beast, Defiance and Deliverance have no damage mitigation difference. WAR can slip into deliverance whenever he's not about to get his face rearranged and handed to him for extra DPS.

TP issues in a real fight almost do not exist. 1) All fights currently have breaks, all of them. Exceptions were T8 and T11. And they don't matter any more. 2) This is a team game. All of the melee DPS are prone to TP issues and your BRD/MCH WILL recover your TP. Believe it or not, it's how PLDs got through in the past.