This is absolutely ridiculous (DPS CHECK RANT)

[reality_check]

I have made about 10 PF Bismarck Extreme parties over the last 2 days to see 9/10 fail because of DPS requirements.

I set the PF requirement at a conservative item level 170.

Here is what is ridiculous:

1. There is obviously a empirically derived standard of DPS for each phase of the fight in order to win.

2. There is no way for DPS to check their DPS in relation to each phase.

3. I can't even tell DPS that they aren't doing enough for the phases so that they can work on something without fear of a violation of ToS.

4. DPS is ALL OVER THE PLACE. Some DPS burst the chitin for 1700dps, some DPS do 500. I personally, as a scholar, routinely out DPS bad players on the Chitin phase, but I can't actually tell someone that they need to push more DPS.

The last two days have basically been a huge entire waste of my time. The healing and tanking is there, but I make party after party with the same item level only to wipe to the DPS checks over and over again.

And when we wipe to the DPS checks, everyone just kind of shrugs and and says something dumb like "oh we have too many ninjas to beat this" or "we have a machinist, that's the problem."

I can't even make a PF saying "DPS must be able to push 700 DPS on snake phase" because VIOLATION OF TERMS OF SERVICE.

I mean, it's basically saying the same thing as "HEALERS MUST BE ABLE TO KEEP THE TANK ALIVE" because that's what needs to happen to beat the encounter.

TLDR: STOP MAKING ENCOUNTERS WITH SUCH RIDICULOUS DPS CHECKS IF YOURE NOT GOING TO LET US ACTUALLY ENFORCE THESE REQUIREMENTS.

[Malevicton]

Make a PF saying "DPS must be able to push 700 dps and also be very very good at mental math" problem solved

[PotatoWafflez]

https://youtu.be/SlrW0MY_n7g?t=52s

How to DPS 101 - A WoW perspective but has a lot of carry over.

But on a serious note DPS can feel very hit and miss to the point I can notice it when running dungeons sometimes and I don't look at numbers or run anything serious.

They need to give players more tools to either A. Benchmark their own DPS in game and/or B. Have more repeatable tutorials hammering in what all your skills do and your basic rotation.

[Colorful]

you try being a dps, bruh. its not as easy as it is to complain about it.

Think about why its difficult: healers and tanks have one other to be synergistic with. DPS have three others. Three other completely different mindsets, playstyles, approaches, and experiences. This is also part of the reason why FC/static groups move forward more than PUGs. They are used to each other and the way they think. BIS EX is so much more than a cookie cutter instruction and is very often overlooked on its complexity.

That still doesn't excuse the sub 500 DPS I see people doing, at ilvl 175+ mind you.

[VirusChris]

Well I won't say who, as I can't remember who as it's been a couple of weeks, but someone I do an average of 933 DPS on my Lv60 NIN ilvl187 character compared to their 1200 DPS burst with my rotations so I'm about 300 points off from their so not bad and the other player did say I was better than expecting, though it would be great to hit close to 1200 DPS for my NIN.

Though it's kinda hard to find the "right" rotation to pull it off and I'm comfortable with my rotation as I see I pull off a lot of damage quickly with my Suiton and Trick Attack combo, but first activate Blood for Blood (LNC cross skill) and Internal Release (MNK cross kill) to increase damage to enemy and get a better chance for critical hit and then burst them with Dream Within a Dream but not before I use Kassatsu to restore my Mudra and get 100% Critical Hit Rate followed by the Spinning Edge -> Raiton -> Gust Slash -> Duality -> Aeolian Edge combo which I see hitting over 4000+ most of the time.

I will sometimes throw in Mug and Jugulate at first after I have Blood for Blood and Internal Release up with the Vulnerability debuff on the enemy to add in more extra damage and top off Assassinate if they're below 20%. Honestly wish the Vulnerability debuff lasted 15 seconds instead of 10 seconds so I have a little more time pulling off my combos and burning the boss faster.

Though I start off with Huton for more Attack Speed and then add in the DoTs to make it easier to burn the enemy.

Though this is my rotation for a burst attack and I try to keep up with DoTs when I can as they can be helpful especially the Dancing Edge move where it adds a Slash Resistance debuff on the enemy and my attacks do more damage.


Kinda sucks that even if you don't have a tutorial for someone to point out the best rotation to pull out mega damage on the enemies and even if you come up with your own rotation that you like and feels great... it's going to come up short if it doesn't dish out a lot of damage for DPS Check battles.

[bbkkristian]

That still doesn't excuse the sub 500 DPS I see people doing, at ilvl 175+ mind you.

Oh, so the TC was complaining about one guy performing 500 dps rather than DPS in general? Cause im speaking from a general sense, not that specific example he provided.

[Colorful]

Oh, so the TC was complaining about one guy performing 500 dps rather than DPS in general? Cause im speaking from a general sense, not that specific example he provided.

Pretty sure OP is just talking about putting out poor DPS in general. I've seen some DPS put out almost on the level of PLD tanks (200-300), or even a little higher at 400, but that's still not acceptable. BisEX isn't what I'd call a complicated fight, you don't have to work perfectly with other DPS, tanks may have for the tank swap, but otherwise you don't. Unless you have like another Ninja, who may be doing DE/TA, and doesn't want you to overwrite it, until it's up.

[Iromi]

Something that would help is an official parser. That way we could tell who is messin up and where and help them improve ; ;

[Zaekath]

you try being a dps, bruh. its not as easy as it is to complain about it.

Think about why its difficult: healers and tanks have one other to be synergistic with. DPS have three others. Three other completely different mindsets, playstyles, approaches, and experiences. This is also part of the reason why FC/static groups move forward more than PUGs. They are used to each other and the way they think. BIS EX is so much more than a cookie cutter instruction and is very often overlooked on its complexity.

What are you even saying? How does performing your rotation require you to synergize with other people?

In what way is Bismark Ex not a cookie cutter strategy?

[bbkkristian]

Something that would help is an official parser. That way we could tell who is messin up and where and help them improve ; ;

or to completely drop them, say "you suck at your job", and exclude, which is also possible. I have no opinion on the matter, but the opposing side to parsers brings up the true issue of this MMO: this community's endgame attitude needs work.