Jeebus the red script grind is real.

[Rin_Kuroi]

You do. You need to give players a long term goal to achieve. Without it, people unsub and SE loses money. That's the MMO mentality.

Not for the people who have day jobs, friends and families. I can play 20+hours per week and this grind is ridiculous.

[DreameR7g]

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That makes you a casual player. I would say at that point, don't worry too much about capping everything and just enjoy the game at your own pace. This grind *does* look ridiculous to a casual player because of the time you need to invest. However, you have responsibilities/other things you want to do. I would say the system is fair then since Bleeding Edge MMO content (before it gets nerfed) is typically designed for the hardcore player.

[Rin_Kuroi]

That makes you a casual player. I would say at that point, don't worry too much about capping everything and just enjoy the game at your own pace. This grind *does* look ridiculous to a casual player because of the time you need to invest. However, you have responsibilities/other things you want to do. I would say the system is fair then since Bleeding Edge MMO content (before it gets nerfed) is typically designed for the hardcore player.

I'll probably be pushing a3 savage next week. Lol causal. You don't know the meaning of the word. Pushing the edge of raid content is less time consuming then the gathering system.

[DreameR7g]

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That's merely because you dedicate yourself to combat classes. Your overall time invested would label you a casual player, at least in my eyes. You can be a raider and be a casual player.

If you dedicated yourself to gathering, the system is actually not that bad. I could make the same argument for raiding content to those who didn't invest themselves in combat. They would have the same problems as you do.

Please don't insult me when you cannot see the obvious. It is simply *impossible* for you to have everything in an MMO and this game specifically with how you choose to have your free time structured.

[Rin_Kuroi]

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Right. End game means different things for different people. An end game gatherer or crafter has to spend a stupid amount of time more then an end raider. Your labels and silly justifications can't get around that fact.

[DreameR7g]

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Actually, time is relative. What you consider "stupid amount of time" might not actually BE stupid and vice versa. Its just that you label it as such. This is all your opinion and I've given you facts such as WHY SE would put a cap on such things and how easy it is for an end-game gatherer/crafter.

Learn how to optimize your time and effort. Otherwise, it'll take longer. Don't blame the systems because you chose to invest the free time you have somewhere else (Raiding)