Jeebus the red script grind is real.

[DreameR7g]

Welcome to MMOs. The grind is a part of every MMO in existence. At least.. every successful MMO. They simply do it differently compared to one another.

The grind is designed to keep you playing and thus keep your subscription active. Without it, SE would not make nearly as much money with XIV as they do.

Plus, 8 hours all together out of, lets estimate 40 free time hours, isn't that bad. It also makes sense since MMOs are designed to be time sinks.

[Rin_Kuroi]

Ya I don't know I wouldn't consider 2 hours a day that grindy for MMO. All I can say is you dont actually have to cap each week. I usually only cap gather scrips as I dont have time for crafter ones. Once I'm done with gather scips ill work on crafter ones. I take comfort in knowing I wont run out of stuff to do any time soon.

That's two hours a day just for gathering and only if I leveled two gatherers to 60. I want to cap on esos and alex nm tokens too. That maybe takes a total of 8 hours a week if I'm really unlucky. Most of the time its probably a lot less then that. I knock out my experts and alex normals in no time thanks to my fc.

The amount of time I need to put into gathering (lets not forget crafting) dwarfs the other parts of this game. Isn't the red script cap there so people like me don't get left behind (and I play a lot compared to most)?

[DreameR7g]

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Yup. Now just think how much further you'd be left behind if the cap WASN'T there? The potential of a hardcore player (considering the sheer amount of time they are willing to invest in the game) is nearly limitless.

[Rin_Kuroi]

Yup. Now just think how much further you'd be left behind if the cap WASN'T there? The potential of a hardcore player (considering the sheer amount of time they are willing to invest in the game) is nearly limitless.

The cap doesn't bother me tbh. It's the 8 scripts per turn in.

[DreameR7g]

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Conceded but then again, the 8 red scrip turn in per item isn't that bad. Great example is if you farm adamantite ore alone with the proper gear, you could get 2 (potentially 3 if your rng is good with the optimal rotation) which leads to 16 red scrips a half hour, 32 an hour. Translates to 14 hours altogether (and not of sheer effort mind you, only takes about a minute or two to gather the ACTUAL material) in 7 days. If you pace yourself, where its equally spread out within that week (2 hours within a 24 hour day, not accounting for work and other such activities you plan to do), the effort isn't much.

[Dhex]

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Welcome to MMOs. The shitty boring part stuff part of every MMO in existence inexplicably. At least.. every MMO that's been made. They simply do the same stuff differently.

The shitty boring part is designed to keep you playing but often just seems like an exercise in futility, but keep on grinding so you can get to the fun part while your subscription is still active. Without it, SE would not make nearly as much money with XIV as they do.

Plus, 1/5th free time hours, isn't that bad. It also makes sense since MMOs are designed to be time sinks and not enjoyable games with interesting and engaging elements.

[DreameR7g]

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See, that's perception. That isn't actual fact. You believe its shitty. I do not. I quite enjoy XIV. In fact, I love XIV because I think it is an MMO which is properly designed by a developer like SE which listens to the community and throws them quite a few bones while sticking to a plan to be a solvent corporation.

The difference between your post and mine is yours is opinion. And mine is fact, except my last sentence which is my own perception and opinion

[Aezelas]

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properly designed

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Lol

[DreameR7g]

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Okay so if it wasn't properly designed, explain the success it has had ever since ARR.

[Rin_Kuroi]

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Compared to capping esos and capping alex nm tokens its a huge amount of effort. It takes about twice the amount of effort even with the advantage of having two 60 gathering classes. And! And that's only so I can get myself the next tier for gear. This gear is only going to be used to meet the cap quicker for the coming weeks and months. No profit. I still want a sky blue chocobo