Take away the MP cost on our attacks

[Vackashken]

Your first two paragraphs contradict each other. First you say that Cure II and Sac II are must-haves for situations that arise, then you say that you've never implied or said that tanks should be healing themselves. Nevermind your post from earlier talking about being hit for 1k+ and having to heal, thereby reducing your offensive options. Maybe I'm missing something, but it sounds an awful lot like you're saying tanks should heal themselves.What was that about saying things "compounded in idiocy and falsehood"?

Shhh, move along troll. Stop derailing the thread - your reading comprehension is your problem - not everyone talking about the point of the thread. Stop trying to be "right" - its not going to happen for you.

[Viridiana]

Shhh, move along troll. Stop derailing the thread - your reading comprehension is your problem - not everyone talking about the point of the thread. Stop trying to be "right" - its not going to happen for you.

Heaven forbid I ask you go get your story straight.

[Vackashken]

Heaven forbid I ask you go get your story straight.

Or that as I implied later things are dynamic and sometimes - just sometimes - you might have to heal yourself or some such drastically taking away your combat ability and evasion quickly. You're the fool that took an idea and made it literal by imply I said a tank must heal all the time even though several times over I said its about healing utility - and that utility is hampered because it crushes your melee output. Something no other class has to deal with.

Sorry troll - you looked for a fight with lies (a tank NEVER HEALS) bizarrely literally interpretations of... something/somehow and you're still going on about it. This is why I was and am dismissive of you. Your post are foolish and I've explained my position several times over that the utility of healing drastically effects the combat output like no other class. While you imply that a tank should never ever EVER heal itself - and somehow my post insinuated that I... think... a tank... should always heal itself? Brilliant analysis, lol.

Like I said before, run along - your trolling is sub-par and I'd like to actually, I dunno, talk about the merits of the post rather then read your presumptuous asinine babble about... something.

[Viridiana]

Sorry troll - you looked for a fight with lies (a tank NEVER HEALS) bizarrely literally interpretations of... something/somehow and you're still going on about it.

No, I pretty much implied that, until this is fixed, at least, a PGL tank shouldn't be wasting valuable MP on curing himself.

. . .and somehow my post insinuated that I... think... a tank... should always heal itself? Brilliant analysis, lol.

Well, there was that part where you called me incompetent for never casting Cure on myself. So, no, you didn't say they should "always" heal themselves, but you did pretty much say it's part of the tanks' job to heal themselves. I'm really not sure what other conclusion I was supposed to come to.

So, to recap:

You say MP cost needs to go.
I agree.
You say that, tanking the Ogre, your MP was "draining overly fast."
I point out that if you didn't heal yourself, you'd have plenty of MP.
You dismiss my comment because it's "irrelevant."
I ask how it's irrelevant.
You call me a liar.
I point out again that you should only be running into MP problems if you're healing yourself.
You call me a liar and a troll.
I reiterate that Second Wind should suffice for emergencies.
You call me a liar or an incompetent, say that tanks should always have cures on their bars, and say that you aren't saying tanks should heal themselves.
You call me a troll and accuse me of derailing the thread.

Oh, and throughout, I continue to agree that the MP cost needs to go. Did I miss anything?

[Vackashken]

No, I pretty much implied that, until this is fixed, at least, a PGL tank shouldn't be wasting valuable MP on curing himself.

I said that was theory not reality - fact of the matter is things arise time-to-time that require you to heal yourself or another thusly drastically (coupled with the attack consumption now) decreasing MP and your combat effectiveness.


So, to recap:

You say MP cost needs to go.
I agree.

Then shut up and speak about the point of the thread - not your bizarre interpretation because you feel you need to troll.

You say that, tanking the Ogre, your MP was "draining overly fast."
I point out that if you didn't heal yourself, you'd have plenty of MP.
You dismiss my comment because it's "irrelevant."

I dismissed it as irrelevant because of your presumption (you don't know what happened) and your insinuation that a tank should NEVER heal itself. The assertion is so absurd (because its not reality - shit happens and its smart to heal yourself in a pinch for a myriad of reasons) and such obvious trolling.

I ask how it's irrelevant.

As aforementioned you gave some carpet statement when the fact is things pop up that can make you need to heal yourself or a comrade in a pinch.

You call me a liar.

I called you a liar because of your implications about healing with the assertion you've tanked every mob in the game. I don't by that for a second. Every tank heals themselves time to time sooner or later. Even one heal drastically reduces combat effectiveness because of the MP linked with some of our attacks now. The fact you imply you've never healed yourself says you have never tanked anything "big" because thats impossible.

I point out again that you should only be running into MP problems if you're healing yourself.
You call me a liar and a troll.

Liar stated above and a troll for going on and on about it and distorting things to fit your stupid premise. In fact, you're still trolling.

I reiterate that Second Wind should suffice for emergencies.

Sometimes it is sometimes it isn't - the fact you think its so black and white again screams to me you've never tanked before. I still think - 100% - you're lying to make a point. Knock it off.

You call me a liar or an incompetent, say that tanks should always have cures on their bars, and say that you aren't saying tanks should heal themselves.
You call me a troll and accuse me of derailing the thread.

Oh, and throughout, I continue to agree that the MP cost needs to go. Did I miss anything?

If you dont think a tank shouldn't have cures on his bar (and even if you do you apparently refuse to use them) you are incompetent. And yes, here you are still derailing the thread trying to save face when it just isn't working out for you.

[bloodoath]

PUG tank should stack VIT>MND>DEX then?

not so fast there, i think the idea behind them adding mp to the Light Strike was to keep ppl from keeping the buff up 80% of the fight and make u choose when u want to use that particular ability. it also seems that they gave pug's 2 other tp generating abilities aswell, use these? I personally didnt even notice the mp usage while soloing r30 leves on my 33 pug @ 4 stars. i had noticed however, after i read this thread and did some field testing of my own. I found that using "Light Strike" in certain combo's proved more effective than spamming the key as soon as the cd was ready.


back to the point of this post: i personally stack dex>str>vit and i am very happy with my acc/eva/dps and find very few times i need an ether during battle.

[Viridiana]

When exactly did I say I tanked every mob in the game? I do recall saying I tanked all of the high-level NMs, but I should probably point out now that I don't consider Batraal to be an NM, or you'll get all snippy later. . .

I'm also quite certain I never said I refuse to cure myself. There's a difference between refusing to cure myself and refusing to cast Cure on myself.

[Vackashken]

not so fast there, i think the idea behind them adding mp to the Light Strike was to keep ppl from keeping the buff up 80% of the fight and make u choose when u want to use that particular ability. it also seems that they gave pug's 2 other tp generating abilities aswell, use these? I personally didnt even notice the mp usage while soloing r30 leves on my 33 pug @ 4 stars. i had noticed however, after i read this thread and did some field testing of my own. I found that using "Light Strike" in certain combo's proved more effective than spamming the key as soon as the cd was ready.

Hm, I never thought of that. Perhaps in the soon-to-be updates the eva from light strike will be super effective rather then what it is now. That would bring moe thought of when to use it and make more sense for the mp (sort of) if it was more effective then it is now.

[Shyd]

Unless the attack is magic based, like pugilist using a fire pawnch, then it shouldn't cost mp.

Would it be something like this?

[BlackRoach]

I like the MP consumption, if your running low on MP put more MND. I dont even notice it on most of my guys.