I lost my motivation, Can you help me find it?

[Wilbert]

OP I feel the same way I keep wondering why they added nothing new...just more of the same. It is very strange...I understand with 2.0, playing it safe, taking their time and catching up, so the rehashed stuff I overlooked. However, with an expansion, where is all the new content?

Sadly I had to unsub...I just can't bring myself to play anymore, unless they put in new stuff...

I've removed my auto renew for FFXiV and I've not purchased HW. Not only is crafting broken but the treadmill is on par to taking me no where. Why invest time doing repetitive things that will be obsolete? I also disagree on not getting another retainer if they add more materials in an Expansion? I have a feeling they will eventually convert this game to a f2p style seeing as there is no point paying a monthly fee if there is no new investment from the devs to improve the game. Creating similar hurdles is not improving the game in my opinion, its stalling...

[justinjarjar]

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Your money is voting with your opinion, do not see SE doing f2p since even FFXI is sub still. FFXIV is still in a good spot in subs and amount of money made per month no reason to think otherwise as of right now.

[Ayanno]

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It was directed at everyone who doesn't get it. Do i or someone else have to break out the terms of service agreement for you? You bought a copy of the game? Fine. You pay a subscription fee? So do we all. Doesn't amount to a hill of beans on a corporate scale. People keep ranting about the same things on here and either none of them have had anything done about them or next to none. Does this not register with you at all? Crying loader and often doesn't mean you'll get your way, it just means you haven't gotten the fact that they either won't do anything or it's planned so far down the line they don't even bother saying anything about it. The only "sob story" here is your opening post. You don't like what your money is being spent on? Take it somewhere else like the rest of the intelligent human beings. And of course some of these things effect those to whom they apply. But either the vast majority has come to realize that what they want doesn't coincide with the development team's long term vision for the game or they got tired of their words falling on deaf ears. Yoshida himself has said there are things they just won't do and won't outwardly say no either.

You'd think after all of this time about the vertical vs. horizontal progression ranting or the whole other slew of everyday complaints that never get a response people would get the hint. Subscription payments do not entitle anyone to anything in this game excluding the use of what they provide you and that is at their sole discretion. I am not trying to be a d**k but it's time to face facts. Nearly two years of the same old, same old has yielded nothing productive yet and after the amount of time that has elapsed your chances of success are dwindling if non existent already of getting the results you desire. Your unhappiness is of your own making, not the development team's. This isn't a case of if we keep sticking to what we believe we'll get our way. Hairstyles or some other tedious subject is one thing but a lot of what I see as complaints on here would dang near require the game to be remade all over again. Why would they do that to themselves? It's creating more work than is necessary and would most likely cause more problems with other internal systems.

I am not by any stretch of the imagination saying it is bad to want things, but want things within reason. The way you present these notions to them also affects reception as well. You can't just go "PVP suck fix nao!!" or "crafting useless delete game!!" How are they suppose to take that seriously? I am fairly certain that some poor fool has to read these disasters called "requests" and either laughs or facepalms. There is a world of difference between constructive criticism and being asinine because it's "not how I would have done it!" Eventually somewhere down the line people will understand that carrying on like this without feedback from a CommRep is generally the same as a no. They just don't want to verbalize it.

Whoa. Rant much? Hoo-boy, let's get to it:

I think your the one who doesn't get it. I keep seeing people say if "you don't like it, take it elsewhere!" Ok, let's go with this for a second. Instead of some of us coming to the forums and rationally, and intelligently attempting to explain our problems with the current game.....we just leave. As shown, there are a lot of people who have serious issues with the game as it currently stands. No, I'm not talking about those types who don't even try to articulate why they have a problem, they just say "game sux, I'm leaving losers!" or some other drivel. I'm referring to the folks, like the OP, and several others in this thread and others, who have brought forward legitimate gripes with the game. From crafting, to PVP, to Dungeons and anything in between. It's not hard for a rep/dev(if a dev actually reads the English forums, which I doubt) to determine which poster is using their brains and giving actual feedback, which is exactly what this forum is for, and which poster is just full of it. You can spot it easily, as can I. As can many others, this is easy to determine.

Now, the people who post on the forums is actually a small portion of the player base, regardless of which side of whatever fence they may be on, it's a small sample size. Despite the small size of the sample, however, one cannot simply dismiss the criticisms brought forth in rational, intelligent attempts to express their concern for the game they enjoy wasting their free time.

Now then: let's say all the people that have brought forth legitimate criticisms of the game, as well as all the players who agree with them, but don't post, do exactly what you, and many others, tell them to(often times in the rudest manner a person can think of). All these players, who is neither as small as you think, nor as large as some believe, but are a pretty damned decent chunk of the playerbase, leave. They didn't post why they were leaving, they just left. SE has no "why are you unsubbing?" survey when you deactivate your account. You, me, her and them, have no idea why these folks left. Neither does SE, and they really need to know if their players are happy or not, but we're doing what you and other have said, remember? Right!

Time moves on, and you start to notice something: your tank queue is 20 minutes! Oh, I know every DPS is going "I wish!" but bare with me here. You start to realize that it seems like Idyllshire is less populated then it once was. In fact, it seems like every zone is less populated, yet you can't figure out way. I mean, the only things people post on the forums are positives to the game, so surely there aren't any problems, right?

(meanwhile, at SE HQ)

Accountant #557962 "uh, boss, it seems that since 3.0 went live our subscription numbers have...."
Yoshi: "I know! The numbers have to be good! I mean, there aren't even any complaints on the forums, so we hit it out of the park across the board!"
Accountant #349857 "Uh, no boss, our subscriptions have dropped. You think it may have been the "same old, same old" philosophy we used?"
Yoshi: in a certain Sith Lord's voice..... "NO!!!!!!!!!!"

Ahem. As entertaining as that was(to me anyways), the point is if nobody comes in here to voice their concerns, nobody will know thar be an iceberg ahead. Also, since you thought to throw the ToS around, I'll throw this right back at you: SE wants the players to come to the forums and provide feedback to the game. This is the entire point of the forums existence. If you or anyone else is tired of complaint threads then stop clicking on them, stop replying to them. You chose to open that thread with that complaint in the title. Don't bitch at the poster for it.

(I'll try to keep the remainder shorter, as I have evidently gone off and written a novel)

Quite a few(the more intelligent posters on this side of the fence) have actually argued not to switch it from a vertical MMO to a horizontal MMO. Thanks for taking the time read everything before going off on a tirade! No, what many have said is we want SE to give us some variety in how we obtain those tomestones, instead of the same 2-3 dungeons every day for 3 months. Some variety in our hardcore raids; why MUST it be Coil OR Alexander? Why not BOTH? We have more then enough jobs with more then enough equipment slots to divide the loot across more then one single raid at a time. That's just an example, and I've just got done with a 15 hour shift at 6am my time. Surely the devs of this wonderful game have far, far more creativity then this putz? Of course they do.

Your last paragraph is, to be blunt, garbage. Talia gave a rational, well thought out post to describe his/her feeling for the current game. He/she didn't scream out "PVP suck fix nao!" or any other such drivel your going to come up with.

Oh, and one last thing to that last couple sentances in that rage-fueled rant: The devs kept saying for months that 2.0 WAR was just fine, and needed no adjustments. The devs were also very quiet during the whole "FANTASIA OR RIOT!" thread.

WAR was adjusted. Fantasia's were brought to us, the consumer's. Neither of these things would have happened if we, those "cry babies", those "whiners" hadn't come to....oh that's right! They came to the forums and intelligently brought forth there concerns, and changed the game we love for the better

[StrejdaTom]

Kinda sad how many negative reactions OP received.
People probably just want to get 2 dungeons, 1 primal + relic or raid or daily quests each patch without any new inovating content.

And this expansion follows absolutely the same pattern.

There's really no space for whiteknighting in this matter imo.

"This is an expansion, not a new MMO. It is completely fine that it doesn't introduce any new mechanics." Well, next expansion won't introduce any new mechanics too, because all people who suggested they want something new got zerged by white knights.

[Sessurea]

well yh, gold saucer is junk content. Has nothing fun about it apart from a copy/pasted card game ( srsly se =_= ) some of us go sick of years ago in ff8. REALLY disappointing stuff. If you gonna copy paste, at least do fun stuff! No ghost house. no skyrail??????? no gauntlet. no snowboarding. no underwater submarine game. no mogs house


why the HELL did they call it gold saucer, more like las vegas, especially with all them bunny sluts walkin about..

[Khemorex]

My suggestion to the OP is , find people to play with help them out :P unless ur personal progression is more important then actually playing with people, then i cant help you

[Zanarken]

The OP has some very solid criticisms. I am very disappointed with the expansion at present. I was expecting to see new exciting features/innovation. Instead ARR just got a little bigger, nothing more. It is literally ARR copy/pasted with flying mounts. Had this been 2007 when flying mounts were introduced in World of Warcraft, sure it would be groundbreaking but its not. Gathering, which use to be my favorite pastime in FFXIV has become a job. Gatherers are literally forced to be at their computer (x) hours a week to hit node timers or fall behind. The changes to crafting have been an absolute trainwreck. New equipment hidden behind material/script gates that take weeks to obtain in a subscription based MMO. Crafted items that will cost tens if not hundreds of millions of gil in gathering favors that lead to what end? Crafters cannot craft gear even remotely close to that of dungeon gear. Crafted armor sets do not appeal to glamour because they are all reskins. So many of the new recipes lack any sort of imagination or introduce new exciting content to the game. There is literally no incentive to craft. The Golden Saucer remains a theme park without patrons. I'm beginning to think Heavensward needs a reboot much like 1.0 did.

[Talia_Hailwind]

I'm beginning to think Heavensward needs a reboot much like 1.0 did.

This is honestly my biggest fear. Because it will most likely never get it if things get as bad as 1.0 did.

[Seiryuukishi]

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I DO get it. The operative word here is intelligent in intelligent discussion. And rage fueled rant? Please... I don't rage on something as pitiful as this. But for the sake of logical, reasonable discussion i will continue on...

As to the Warrior fixes they tested the conditions themselves under which the complaints (the valid ones anyway) were made. Thus they decided that Warrior did, in fact, need to be tweaked. As to anything I post being garbage, you are entitled to your opinion and that's it. The same could be said of your assumptions of anything to do with my motives, and you know what they say about assuming... Your little tidbit about fantasias is false, we did get a response. Whether or not it was on the forums is neither here nor there. They did respond. They also said they do not appreciate riot threads and are under no obligation to reply to or otherwise "fix" whatever the subject is about. Just because a string of text says "riot" doesn't make it important. That's just delusional to believe that is what led to fantasias being sold on mogstation. The only tirade here, in this "concerned about game" thread, is the same people among the countless hundreds of others repeatedly saying they dislike the way SE is making the game. After two years of the same thing they have been doing it took you all until the expansion to realize that this is indeed the path the development team has taken? Call me crazy, but that's just nuts. You all have clearly had plenty of time to realize that Yoshida and company are not making a hardcore game, at all. So who is to blame for you all's disillusionment? The game? No it's inanimate. Yoshida or the rest of the development team? No they have made it clear the path the game is taking. Is it you all? Yes and no. Yes because you keep trying to fool yourselves into thinking they will just do an about face on core game aspects almost overnight and that isn't reasonable. Then no because if you come from the older gaming generation like me you would like more variety, more difficulty, just more. And there isn't anything wrong with that but that just is not what the devs have in mind. Times have changed, gaming isn't what it used to be. SE now has to cater to people with time constraints. The days of long hour camping, dungeon mass running, or whatever you wish to use as an example for equipment is no longer as popular as it once was because people grow up, get jobs, get married, have families, and cannot dedicate that kind of time anymore to such things.

Ultimately you cannot please everyone. I dislike crafting with a passion, but I know it won't be changed significantly enough to make me like it so I don't do it. Simple as that. I like gathering and the DOW stuff and that more than makes up for it. The variety of gear and other such things are nice in theory but the gear stats would be nerfed into the ground because this game is, at its core, based on the trinity. I'm not saying it can't or won't happen but if it does it will be nothing like you hoped because of the balance priority. I'd love to have true support jobs on here but I'm not holding my breath for something that most likely will never happen. I've learned to accept that there are things I just will not get on here and I am perfectly fine with that. At the end of the day it is still an amazing game to view and play imho.

[Ayanno]

Sure looked like a rage-fueled post to me. I doubt I'm the only one. Re-read it and tell me true: if someone else wrote that, would you not consider the description "rage-fueled rant" apt? Regardless of how you personally felt at the time the post was written, it sure does come off as such. I doubt I'm the only one, but then again, I might just be. /shrug

Yes, they did make adjustments to 2.0 WAR....after players brought up legitimate concerns, and after SE stated the job was fine. If players had kept quiet, SE wouldn't have looked twice at the job, they did say it was just fine, after all. It was the legitimate concerns that they paid attention to, and looked at.

Which was the whole point of my post. There are legitimate concerns with various things within the game, keeping silent about these things only ensures there will never be any adjustments made to them, ever.

The "FANTASIA OR RIOT!" thread did not succeed because of the word Riot, or any other reason besides the massive amount of support from the forums the thread had. It didn't matter what was in the thread title that got people to keep it on the main page for so long, and have so many positive replies supporting the idea. It was all those supporting replies and requests that got the change. Not because of the word "riot" or any other adjective you want to use. It succeeded despite the words in the title.

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I have had reservations about the game since Soldiery came in. Remember, there was no way SE could know if ARR's launch would succeed or fail like 1.0 did, SE had to play it safe with the games endgame content and, for the first 6-9 months, had it planned out to use the format we have now to buy themselves time. They simply had to keep the potential for loss at a minimum, but at the same time they needed to ensure that players, should the game succeed, not burn through content so fast. Enter weekly tomestone grinds, and one actual raid at a time. I understood this, and have mentioned before it was smart decision on SE's part to do this.

I personally kept quiet during this, all while waiting and hoping that the expansion would give SE the reason to add some much needed variety to the endgame grind. he announcement of Heavensward began the countdown on how long I'd, personally, be willing to keep quiet about farming the same 2-3 dungeons for different colored tomestones week after week. Heavesnward did not even try to offer some variety to our daily/weekly grind. They kept it the same as before. This is not acceptable. How anyone can defend doing the same thing for 2 years with zero variation is beyond me.

Having had enough, I have come here, to the forums designed for the very feedback I wish to convey to the makers of this wonderful game, and give voice, at long last, to my concerns. I am not alone in this. Many others have also stepped forward, and intelligently, thoughtfully, and with respect to both forum goers and the devs themselves.

If you or anyone else disagrees with this, that's fine. I may not understand the reasoning behind, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions on any given topic. What isn't fine is when individuals step forward and post well thought out, intelligent posts highlighting their concerns, are met with rage fueled rants such as yours. Or told to "shut up and leave" or any other such nonsense. Yes, it's the internet and people are generally more of an asshat online then off, but c'mon.

inb4 Willy Wonka "You must be new here" meme is posted to the above statement.

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