Why does Enochian have to be a pain in the neck?

[Maero]

Way to go overexaggerating tho.
It doesn't take long to read tactics, and you don't need to run five miles away from aoe's. You can just move slightly to the left or right to dodge. You don't have to run to the other side of the map.

I agree 100% with this, it was the same back in 2.0.
Blm in order to maximize your dps has always been about maximizing movement, the less movement, the more casting and more dmg, etc.
Also like i have mentioned in other threads, there is a threshhold at which if you move your spell will still go off even if not fully casted before moving.
This was back in 2.0 and fairly certain it still holds true, i never really noticed now tbh.
Also enochian is not at all shit, players just need to learn their timing better, myself included i can still learn more.

PS. i still hate Nevereap and do Expert as Bard now in case it is that awful place, lol

[Maddonious]

@ joranas. 3 seconds from now huh? If I couldnt save enochian after moving that means I didnt have enough time on it to refresh it anyway after moving. I would just reapply it since it should be off cd with that low of time left on it or perhaps I got to greedy.

We have swiftcast on standby for situations like this, they wont happen every 30 secs so we can recover from those kind of mechanics. Its not like we use swiftcast for double flares anymore.

[Kolsykol]

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It's a bit strange to me. Because I barely move much at all. Sure, SOMETIMES I am FORCED to move a longer distance. But that is very rare. Usually, I move so that I am right next to the red AoE mark on the ground. You can stand next to it. Aslong as you don't touch it, you won't get hit by the AoE. But I constantly see people literally run to the other side of the map, as if the AoE is somehow inaccurate and actually covers like twice or three times the area that it claims, lol.
I also make use of Aetherial Manipulation a lot. I can usually get off 1 more cast / finish my cast. And then just '' jump '' to a part member. And voilá, I've succesfully dodged AND gotten my cast off, lol...

I mean. I've heard people say that they never use Aetherial Manipulation, and that it's a useless spell. Which just makes me *gasp*. I use it constantly.

[Joronas]

predict within 3 seconds does not mean '3 seconds from now' .. it means all those aoes, new adds, changing mechanics always happen within 3 seconds of when you think they will.

I said my piece, you obviously (at least to me -- apologies if you're simply doing a bad job of playing devils advocate) are of the mind that only the peak of performance matters, not the rest.

How about I put it this way? It's not fun. You can go on and on about how BLM/Enochian is good ... but it's not fun. And it won't magically BECOME fun with more repetitions of 'you just suck' and 'you do not matter, you are just some baddie'. Which is exactly what 'git gud' as a response to people who dislike/find the mechanic punishing means.

[Rover1983]

For some odd reason Maddonius is trying to defend it like its the all be - be all ability. Stop with the dick measuring contests like you're a godly BLM or some crap, no one gives a shit. We're all wanting the same thing, a fun class that does well. Enochian is making that capability be really difficult in a LOT of situations. I really do not understand why you're being so adamant on defending this shit like its perfect when its far from it.

[Maddonious]

Yes im defending a class/mechanic that is not broken. And yes I am a godly blm hence my condescending attitude as you recall.

Fun class that does well? It stopped being fun? I missed the memo. Also I don't play to do "well", I play to do fantastic (suppose this answers joronas image of me). Pulling ones' own weight is key to having your group love you. If you play a class do your best. Dont play a healer and only heal, dps as much as you heal (when possible, im not unreasonable).

It is perfect. Me and xisin do just fine with the class and enochain cause we put for the effort, you guys are not. You just complain till things in this game get nerfed/buff when it never needed to be. It all comes down to learning the fights and mechanics in those fights that allows the blm to perform great or perform bad. Your first few times wont be great, you are leaning the fight. It's after you learn the fight is when you can maximize potential.

[Maero]

I mean. I've heard people say that they never use Aetherial Manipulation, and that it's a useless spell. Which just makes me *gasp*. I use it constantly.

Ugh ikr,
I made a macro for aetherial manipulation and and has saved both myself and my dps more then once, lol
I think people maybe just freak out if they see a aoe ground marker, like you said you really do not have to move that much in many cases.
Just like if casting and you see the aoe, you do not have to move right away, unless i guess if you have lag issues and stuff.
Interupting a spell due to attacks only if absolutely needed.

[Rover1983]

^ @ Madd. Thank you for proving my point. Done talking to you since its damn near impossible for you to pull your head out of your own ass from being a dickhead. Congrats man congrats.

[ignacioricci]

The discussion makes no sense at this point. People that are not good to the job, and don't even do high raid content say it's bad with no real argument at this point and don't want to listen.

[Maddonious]

^ @ Madd. Thank you for proving my point. Done talking to you since its damn near impossible for you to pull your head out of your own ass from being a dickhead. Congrats man congrats.

Yes but the discussion is about enochain and how it affects the BLM. Not about my personality. You say its bad cause you have to develop a new rotations, I say its good cause I learned the rotations.

This whole time you made no statement about why it is bad in a overall sense of the word, just that you feel it makes the class not fun. Im here to discuss why it adds depths to the class and to complain about the complainees who don't take the time to learn.

Gonna agree with Ignacioricci here, discussion is falling apart due to people not actually proving how its bad rather then just complaining it is. Suppose I didn't provide any numbers and its all just personal experience I can bring as well as to why it's fine. Haters gonna hate I guess is what it comes down to.

While I stand atop my golden pedestal of mastery and look down at those who complain i'll always wonder, why? Maybe I would know if they put forth effort to explain why its bad instead of "I don't want to move". Something solid as evidence please.