Why does Enochian have to be a pain in the neck?

[Kolsykol]

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Way to go overexaggerating tho.
It doesn't take long to read tactics, and you don't need to run five miles away from aoe's. You can just move slightly to the left or right to dodge. You don't have to run to the other side of the map.

[Maddonious]

@stroh68. You say adequate damage but not top tier (in terms of skill I assume) and you wish to argue against enochain when you sound like you didn't master the class to begin with.

You people, (stroh68 and Rover1983 and all the others who complain) its people like you that wish to make me feel bad when my class gets a buff due to the incompetence of others at using it. I will not argue that the enochain QoL tweak with timer reset wasn't a sweet thing to have but I will tell you this. GIT GUD!

You people act as if all content (neverreap comes to mind about complaints) should revolve around this one class and that others should not have any advantage in certain situations when presented. You sound like the people who in 2.0 wanted BLM to have 2 proc fire 3 buildup to help offset dps loss cause you couldn't maintain it otherwise.

Im sorry, I have browsed this whole thread and I only see xisin defending what is already layed down. The class is not broken, the class is not hindered, the class is not difficult. Once you get used to the new roations it's just as easy as the 2.0 rotations.

It boggles my mind that people who are not currently mastering the class and learning the mechanics of each fight come on here and spout BS about how badly enochain is harming the BLM. I will tell you my numbers are nothing to laugh at with me beating most melee in a lot of dungeons/primals/alex in very similar ilvl gear. (But the class is obviously broken)

"I don't wanna move" in my eyes is just translated to "I don't wanna try". If you don't wanna hear the "Git Gud" response then take a stand and ASK someone on your server be it friend/fc/LS to teach you the ways of the Master BLM.

Ask for tips, for rotations, for general how tos in certain situations from the masters instead of flooding the forums with your garbage.

Imo the only QoL fix the BLM currently needs that I have been crusading for since 2.0 is the removal of the "Surecast" trait that we never use in favor of a off GCD verson of it that we can use while casting or would allow us 1 spell when moving.
That is the only fix I see the BLM should have so that one skill is not 99% useless to us.

[Rover1983]

I don't know what I'm more frustrated with.. Enochian or the massive lag spikes I get on a nightly basis(5PM PST - 9ish PM PST) EVERY single night. The lag spikes are actually making me consider throwing in the towel with the game for now. I wanted to raid with my FC but with how bad the lag is that I get, the games literally unplayable.

[Rover1983]

@ Madddonius -

Nice of you to call people out in a condescending manner.

Look, an overwhelming amount of BLM are bitching about this mechanic because quite frankly IT - IS - SHIT. You have to admit it. Some people may be better at using it then others but you cannot deny the fact that a class(BLM) that is stationary as is to do its damage, get's a mechanic(Enochian) that further elongates the problem this class has considering how much moving are in most boss/raid encounters is total shit and a fuckin terrible idea on their part. Its nice seeing big numbers when I DO get to use it but more times then not, I'm running around while the timer is counting down. Terrible idea on their part for a class that relies on being stationary.

Some small tweaks here an there would go a LONG way with this mechanic. A LONG way. You can sit here and rant "Git Gud" all you want, it wont change the fact that Enochian is shit and people are changing classes because of it because if you aren't using Fire IV then you're stuck using Fire 1 which puts our dps sub par compared to others at 60

[Maddonious]

@ Madddonius -

Nice of you to call people out in a condescending manner.

Look, an overwhelming amount of BLM are bitching about this mechanic because quite frankly IT - IS - SHIT. You have to admit it. Some people may be better at using it then others but you cannot deny the fact that a class(BLM) that is stationary as is to do its damage, get's a mechanic(Enochian) that further elongates the problem this class has considering how much moving are in most boss/raid encounters is total shit and a fuckin terrible idea on their part. Its nice seeing big numbers when I DO get to use it but more times then not, I'm running around while the timer is counting down. Terrible idea on their part for a class that relies on being stationary.

Some small tweaks here an there would go a LONG way with this mechanic. A LONG way.

The class IS - NOT - SHIT! I've have mained it since 2.0 and I have altered my play for the changes it brings with it in HW. I am blind to the complaints of others and chalk it up to those trying to get by easy. Most dps are bad and don't want to master the givin class they care about. I will not admit to anything that does not exist.

Trouble on bosses and raids? Besides neverreap (the very bain of our class sometimes) and A4 (everyone loses dps there, not just us) I have no idea what your talking about. Please elaborate cause fractal, a1-a3, bismark ex (there is a safe spot in tornado phase), and ravana are all my bitch and I am confused by anyone who says otherwise.

And yes. I do have a condescending manner because if your not up front with people they will never get the message. I am hard but fair. If you try I will not look down on individuals but help raise them up above the plebs who don't care.

Edit: The mechanics ARE - NOT - SHIT

[Rover1983]

Re-read what I said please. I never said the CLASS is shit. I said the MECHANIC(Enochian) is shit. And, there's a big difference between being hard but fair and being condescending. You were flat out being condescending. Also, it has nothing to do with "getting by easy" It has to do with the mechanic of the class being completely jacked up because in order for us to use our main abilities, we have to be stationary and in most encounters, theres a LOT of moving, so theres a large amount of time where we cant even use our main abilities.

[Maddonious]

Re-read what I said please. I never said the CLASS is shit. I said the MECHANIC(Enochian) is shit. And, there's a big difference between being hard but fair and being condescending. You were flat out being condescending. Also, it has nothing to do with "getting by easy" It has to do with the mechanic of the class being completely jacked up because in order for us to use our main abilities, we have to be stationary and in most encounters, theres a LOT of moving, so theres a large amount of time where we cant even use our main abilities.

The move is a vital component of the class itself. If the move is shit then so must the class. I will alter my message to better reflect your statement.

The class has and will always be majorly stationary. The enochian made us stay still a bit more but not much more then we currently did before. I never have to move a lot, sure sometimes but never enough to utterly destroy my dps.

Edit: So, about those boss/raids we have trouble with?

[Maddonious]

Honestly I hope they don't change it. Once people get so bad i'll start to be one of the few blms around making me feel unique and special.

[Joronas]

The whole concept of "git gud" needs to stop. It's unhelpful. Enochian is more trouble then its worth. It's decent as a burst, but as a standard dps rotation? It's ugly, puts crazy strain on healers (because unless you're 'excellent' you will get caught in things), is less responsive (50% longer to react to new targets), and in general puts the skill threshold way higher.

To those who say 'memorize it' .... we're talking seconds here. If you can predict within 3 seconds when things are going to happen .... you need to stop, because you are no longer in the top-tier category, you are in the AI-wired-in-the-system category, and nothing you say can be considered applicable to the average person.

NONE of that is to say that an excellent BLM can't do well -- but if you have to be 'excellent' in order to simply 'do well', then your class is broken. THAT is the problem -- not that the top tier players can't do well, but the middle/upper-middle tier players find it to be too punishing.

[StouterTaru]

There seems to be two major issues BLMs are having:
1 - They think keeping Enochain always up means more damage. Mechanics first, Enochain second, in heavy movement phases don't cast two F4s in a row unless you have a firestarter proc. You should at least get one B4 off in the first 30 seconds, so you lose Enochain for maybe 1-2 F4 casts.

2 - They think heavy movement fights disproportionately punish BLM. Neverreap bosses are just as bad for melee, the last boss is worse for melee. A4 BLM is more valuable for the mechanics than any other dps.