Do Warriors have any single disadvantage?

[SpecialKK]

I think, the only way to fix this is to eliminate stance dancing. Like making using/deactivating grit/defiance/shield oath only out of combat.

You can then buff certain skills to balance them for MT and OT purposes.

Decide how to balance maim and this should balance it

[Freyyy]

WARs are the best yeah. But I don't consider them absolutely mandatory. Our static is PLD + DRK and we don't have any issues. Yeah our NIN has to apply the slashing debuff, yeah we lost storm's path, but as we don't have a MNK we gained at least the INT debuff and more importantly we're playing what we like. We have no issues dealing with anything in A1S ATM. Tho I still love WAR as it's my old main and if one day I MUST absolutely switch back to WAR for a fight, I will.

[papichulo123]

why are people still complaining about war wtf

[karateorangutang]

why are people still complaining about war wtf

I don't think its complaints about WAR. WAR is absolutely fine, amazingly fine. So fine, in fact, that its pretty much a guaranteed spot on any endgame raid. Not many classes can claim that ( Healer dynamics excluded). The problem is with how to deal with DRK and PLD. WAR is a great OT, but it's also a great MT. PLD would be fantastic if it brought abilities to the table that supported the raid on the same level as SP and SE. It can't though so its automatically called into the MT role which its not performing as well as its tanking cousins. DRK isn't perfect but its sitting well as long as there is a WAR off tank or a ninja in the party to supplement its abilities, but its that reliance on those jobs being there that is the problem. DRK and PLD need to have a WAR or a NIN present to operate optimally, and the raid benefits even more if a WAR is partied with them.

WAR is great, but the tanking trinity needs to make tweaks to further define the intended roles of PLD and DRK.

[Freyyy]

I think, the only way to fix this is to eliminate stance dancing.

[Carstien]

I think, the only way to fix this is to eliminate stance dancing. Like making using/deactivating grit/defiance/shield oath only out of combat.

You can then buff certain skills to balance them for MT and OT purposes.

Decide how to balance maim and this should balance it

I cannot imagine a worse solution than to remove stance dancing. It is a basic part of tanking with any tank and integral to being a great Warrior. It would also affect WAR in an irreparable way, as at least 3 of our Heavensward skills require the dps stance to be on, and one of the remaining 2 is the stance itself. It would essentially put WAR back to ARR. Worse, we would be unable to even do the bad stance removal and reapplication that we did back then. Why would this even cross your mind ad a valid idea?

[Meleoffs]

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[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

PLD would be fantastic if it brought abilities to the table that supported the raid on the same level as SP and SE. .

It does. Clemency, Stoneskin, Divine Veil, Str debuff.

Paladins don't do as much dps as warriors—this is true—but they bring a different type of raid utility that, depending on the group, could be useful. I know my AS1 group would benefit tremendously from an off tank with the ability to help heal / stoneskin a party member with prey attached to them.

People are so fixated on the max dps or gtfo mentality that they're neglecting a big portion of the classes skill set.

[Fue]

It does. Clemency, Stoneskin, Divine Veil, Str debuff.

Paladins don't do as much dps as warriors—this is true—but they bring a different type of raid utility that, depending on the group, could be useful. I know my AS1 group would benefit tremendously from an off tank with the ability to help heal / stoneskin a party member with prey attached to them.

People are so fixated on the max dps or gtfo mentality that they're neglecting a big portion of the classes skill set.

Yeah too bad that Stoneskin and Clemency lowers PLD dps even further when its already at disadvantage.

[Reynhart]

Yeah too bad that Stoneskin and Clemency lowers PLD dps even further when its already at disadvantage.

If it was a great help for keeping the raid alive, it could be a fair trade