Required rank on all gear

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

LOOOOOOL Jesus.
You think so?
Well golly Brucey, then why ever for are they changing the recipes?!

That argument has so many holes it's ridiculous particularly with recipe changes coming in the NEXT PATCH.

Clearly they are changing the recipes for the obvious reasons. A) Make progression less material heavy and friendly to new players who want to take up a craft and, B) Flush out the optimal rank gear system. I don't understand what you're trying to combat in my statement. Maybe reread it?

[Oscillate_Wildly]

Clearly they are changing the recipes for the obvious reasons. A) Make progression less material heavy and friendly to new players who want to take up a craft and, B) Flush out the optimal rank gear system. I don't understand what you're trying to combat in my statement. Maybe reread it?

Pretty sure some of the lower ranked recipe changes were to make gear more obtainable for lowered ranks, such as cotton gear. With the parts missing, it's easier to make your own or to sell a ton of them cheaply for lower ranked DoW/M.

I'm almost certain that, due to Yoshida's large crafting post, those changes were for lower ranked recipes. Not all of them.

So the argument that required rank is exclusively hurting crafters is a load of BS. Of course you'd naturally rather go for mid-rank items, but having a required rank isn't going to automatically make everyone go out and buy r12 shirts. Although it might if there are going to be EXP changes in the near future.
Although It'd probably have people going nude until they were able to equip mid-rank items. Which others have admitted they'd do.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Pretty sure some of the lower ranked recipe changes were to make gear more obtainable for lowered ranks, such as cotton gear. With the parts missing, it's easier to make your own or to sell a ton of them cheaply for lower ranked DoW/M.

I'm almost certain that, due to Yoshida's large crafting post, those changes were for lower ranked recipes. Not all of them.

So the argument that required rank is exclusively hurting crafters is a load of BS. Of course you'd naturally rather go for mid-rank items, but having a required rank isn't going to automatically make everyone go out and buy r12 shirts. Although it might if there are going to be EXP changes in the near future.
Although It'd probably have people going nude until they were able to equip mid-rank items. Which others have admitted they'd do.

So, you think that when people rank a new class, they go straight for the optimal gear and not the gear that is 15-20 ranks above them? Like you pointed out, players have already admit to do that and keep doing that. It's a little extreme, but it's their choice to look like a failure. Oh and btw, recipes are changing for mid rank crafting too.

It's changed to lock players in their place of progression and give equipment for all level ranges a freakin' market. I don't understand why you're arguing me on this since our opinions are actually quite similar. Either your reading comprehension is off or you just do not have the capacity to articulate what you want to say by how you mean it.

[Viridiana]

So, you think that when people rank a new class, they go straight for the optimal gear and not the gear that is 15-20 ranks above them? Like you pointed out, players have already admit to do that and keep doing that. It's a little extreme, but it's their choice to look like a failure. Oh and btw, recipes are changing for mid rank crafting too.

Wait, they're a failure for wearing something with better stats? Damn! I've been going about this all backwards!

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Wait, they're a failure for wearing something with better stats? Damn! I've been going about this all backwards!

Please do not pick parts of my posts out of context to fit your lame argument. This was regarding people who refuse to conform with the new system and be naked til they are able to wear their mid rank gear. Also, optimal gear is always better when it's optimal. That's why it's optimal. Sure you're shaving only a few points when you're just under the rank stated, but this is just born out of laziness.

Sorry you feel the way you do, but it's most likely going to stay the way they announced. Just because there are a few of you loud mouthed and highly opinionated minority spamming this thread doesn't mean it's going to do a damn thing.

[Viridiana]

Please do not pick parts of my posts out of context to fit your lame argument. This was regarding people who refuse to conform with the new system and be naked til they are able to wear their mid rank gear. Also, optimal gear is always better when it's optimal. That's why it's optimal. Sure you're shaving only a few points when you're just under the rank stated, but this is just born out of laziness.

Sorry you feel the way you do, but it's most likely going to stay the way they announced. Just because there are a few of you loud mouthed and highly opinionated minority spamming this thread doesn't mean it's going to do a damn thing.

I already stated that this change is "meh" to me. I really don't care one way or another as long as they introduce more gear to cover up some of the gaps present. I just think your argument is specious. . .

[Oscillate_Wildly]

So, you think that when people rank a new class, they go straight for the optimal gear and not the gear that is 15-20 ranks above them? Like you pointed out, players have already admit to do that and keep doing that. It's a little extreme, but it's their choice to look like a failure. Oh and btw, recipes are changing for mid rank crafting too.

It's changed to lock players in their place of progression and give equipment for all level ranges a freakin' market. I don't understand why you're arguing me on this since our opinions are actually quite similar. Either your reading comprehension is off or you just do not have the capacity to articulate what you want to say by how you mean it.

My reading comprehension is fine, I think.

"If you are against this system for your own selfish reasons and refuse to see the problems with letting anyone wear basically anything craftable then you're in the wrong mindset"
"This helps out so many issues that some of you are too blindly selfish to see. Now DoH classes can actually make cash to support their grinding and progression though their ranks."

Is what you said, which to me sounds like "Optimal ranked gear is killing the market" which who knows, we might need a survey for that, but requiring everyone to wear rank restricted armour isn't going to fix the market. Lower level crafting recipes are getting the big sexy shaft, middle ranked gear isn't changed too much but yes it is getting some adjustments, while higher ranking equipment is hopefully keeping most of it's non-dyed parts. This is how it should be, and this should hopefully solve the problem of why certain people are wearing higher ranked items.

Another reason or reasons behind people wearing items 10-15 ranks above them could be:

- They're just idiots.
- They like to RP, and honestly I'm an understandable person. Just let them be. You don't invite them to your 'raid' parties and LS's anyway so what's it matter what another person you're not even talking to wears? It's the same as though in real life.
- The gear is too expensive, and this should be fixed. It'll be easier to make, obtain, and sell within patch 1.19
- Progression from 1-20 is balls to the wall, cray-cray EASY. If you don't agree with this, well then hell. You're not doing it right. Also, if you're in the right set up or fighting the right mobs, ranking up through grinding and not through Leves is fast. Faster than XI. At this point there is still no reason to gear yourself through the mid-20's to the late 30's.

There's no point in gearing yourself at every little rank up. Sure it was something to look forward to in XI when you could change slowly from craftable gear to your JSE. That was fun! It was pointless later on as other gear became better, but it was still an improvement.

Which is where the restrictions should lie. In specific, job centric sets and pieces. Gear you quested for and worked towards. Like the weapons that go along with them I see those pieces of armour, not EVERY SINGLE PIECE, being rank/class locked. That would be nice, it's best of both worlds isn't it?

So no, I don't see how the market is a viable argument for this system being ripped out of place. We might agree on certain aspects of this, but that is one thing I don't agree with.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Is what you said, which to me sounds like "Optimal ranked gear is killing the market" which who knows, we might need a survey for that, but requiring everyone to wear rank restricted armour isn't going to fix the market. Lower level crafting recipes are getting the big sexy shaft, middle ranked gear isn't changed too much but yes it is getting some adjustments, while higher ranking equipment is hopefully keeping most of it's non-dyed parts. This is how it should be, and this should hopefully solve the problem of why certain people are wearing higher ranked items.

Really? cause I'm pretty sure I used the words "Help" and "Support". Not, "killing". Yes, this will help all level ranges of gear and give low to mid level crafters an incentive to, oh, I don't know, craft? Contribute to the market? Then put those items up for profit? I don't know how those things work. It's too blurry and my brain gives out when I think of simple concepts such as these.

[Cairdeas]

Really? cause I'm pretty sure I used the words "Help" and "Support". Not, "killing". Yes, this will help all level ranges of gear and low to mid level crafters an incentive to, oh, I don't know, craft? Then put those items up for profit? I don't know how those things work. It's too blurry and my brain gives out when I think of simple concepts such as this.

Unless the XP curve is dropped so that you spend more time between 1-30 (Probably wont happen) You'll either get people wearing gear thats level 1 up through 30, or Wearing gear that is 30 at level 1 and wearing it till they hit 30.

Right now you level too fast through 1-30 to ever even think about changing gear. Hell its one trip out to do leves for some people.

[Oscillate_Wildly]

Really? cause I'm pretty sure I used the words "Help" and "Support". Not, "killing". Yes, this will help all level ranges of gear and give low to mid level crafters an incentive to, oh, I don't know, craft? Contribute to the market? Then put those items up for profit? I don't know how those things work. It's too blurry and my brain gives out when I think of simple concepts such as these.

I think your comprehension might be a little off now. I didn't say YOU said killing, but from your argument it SOUNDS like you're saying that with Optimal Ranked Equipment we are neglecting the Crafters by making them obsolete. That couldn't ALSO be because NM's drop mid-ranked gear could it? Free gear > crafted gear, hey hey hey.

We'd probably need a survey or data for it regardless. There's lots of other reasons for a dead market, which replacing optimal rank with restricted rank won't fix.
You forget that it's so easy to rank up 1-30 that it'd be ridiculous to even stop to purchase new gear. With this in place, I'd still go naked or wear old low level equipment until I reached a certain check point in my progression.