Meracydia/Miqo'te/Azys La speculations (spoilers)

[Grayve]

This item description might be relevant, as I noticed it during the quest and thought it the first mention of Allagens and Religion I had seen.

Allagan Crozier - L55 ALC Quest

Though labeled a crozier by the Sons of Saint Coinach who unearthed the relic, it is unlikely this crooked staff was used for religious purposes, as it is well documented that most late Fourth Astral Era Allagans abandoned the theological in order to pursue the technological.

Also, great use of Ace Venture clip, Moose.

[treuhavik]

Allagan Crozier - L55 ALC Quest

Ah, but it does hint that they were religious at one point. It certainly makes sense as to why we have(had) runestones and structures honoring The Twelve. Also, that quote seems to imply that the ruins found at Saint Coinach were late 3rd Astral Era, meaning "Belah'dian" ruins are likely early-mid 3rd Astral.

[Fenral]

Fourth Astral? Didn't the Allagan Empire rise and fall in the Third Astral Era? I thought the whole point was that they left no records after then so nobody knew how the empire disappeared?

[treuhavik]

Fourth Astral? Didn't the Allagan Empire rise and fall in the Third Astral Era? I thought the whole point was that they left no records after then so nobody knew how the empire disappeared?

Huh. Thanks for pointing that out. Is that the exact text from the game, Grayve?

[Reinhart]

Yes, it is the exact text, as seen here.

I was confused when I saw it, too.

Maybe it should be reported to Localization.

[Fenral]

Well, at the risk of Grayve getting mad at me again, we did learn that there were Allagan survivors in the Fourth Umbral Era, and the Sons would know about them if you completed that questline. However, this seems to imply the existence of an already well-documented Allagan civilization that arose after the Calamity and Umbral Era that were assumed to have eradicated them. Furthermore, it implies that they also moved towards a more technology-based society just like they had in the previous Astral Era.

So... what gives? Is there a second Allagan Empire that arose after the first? An Allagan Republic? Or is this simply the Age of the Sultana all over again?

[Daralii]

Well, at the risk of Grayve getting mad at me again, we did learn that there were Allagan survivors in the Fourth Umbral Era, and the Sons would know about them if you completed that questline. However, this seems to imply the existence of an already well-documented Allagan civilization that arose after the Calamity and Umbral Era that were assumed to have eradicated them. Furthermore, it implies that they also moved towards a more technology-based society just like they had in the previous Astral Era.

So... what gives? Is there a second Allagan Empire that arose after the first? An Allagan Republic? Or is this simply the Age of the Sultana all over again?

Could easily be an oversight on the part of the localization team. Does anyone know what that text says in Japanese?

[Fenral]

Could easily be an oversight on the part of the localization team. Does anyone know what that text says in Japanese?

聖コイナク財団が発掘した古代アラグ文明の錫杖
A bishop's staff excavated by the Sons of Saint Coinach.

No extra information whatsoever. Looks like it's a simple Localization goofup after all.

[-Krypyonite-]

After your incredible recent findings i went out to the world again and realised a couple of wierd stuff

first of all, do we know exactly this :

When Syrcus tower was built/xande was there. (years and eras)(looks like xande would be entraped there at the beginig of the 4th umbral era, [reason is bellow ])
What era did bel'hadia start/was erased.
What era are the saint coinach findings.
What era allagans invaded meracydia/entraped bahamuth
The age of dalamud.

Well we know that Crystal tower is suposed to harnass energies from the sun/coordinate dalamud, if im not mistaken

Comparing the cathedral/aqueduct, with qarn and vesperbay and saint coinach have pretty much the same type of structure.

But if you compare for instance, Crystal tower interior and technology with what we know of azys la and Coils. i dare say Azys la/coils are a more advanced type of technology BUT im right now reading the cutcenes again, and itseems that well, There was the cyrstal tower, producing energy form the sun, but to feed the darkness it was needed more power THEN they built dalamud and tossed it to the sky. This places us in 2 difrent phases, the Pre darkness (crystal tower time) and pos darkness (most likely with the type of technology of coil)


Reading the cutcenes again, its said that the earhqueake that mostly likely wiped out the allagans, was ''the calamity that ushered in the Fourth umbral Era''

Taking in mind that the flavor text is actualy right, allagans in the end of astral era, left theocracy, amon resurects xande, (somwehre around that they built the CT) they turn into darkness, build dalamud, miscalculation creates big boom and here we are. After that , Amon put the whole tower in slumber so, by the beginig of the 4th umbral era, Xande and everyone else got stuck there.

In one of the cutcenes we see old xande sayng ''and so meracydia is brought into the vold. Soon, all the world shall be united under allagan rule '' - This means xande was alive and commanding the allagans by the time meracydia fell. And taking in mind the darkness part, it would seem that they were already under the CoD influence when that happened, probably even to use bahamuth to the Red moon plan. And even taking in mind the way he speaks, it would even look like CoD was the cause of the earthquake but that i cant be sure at all, just really speculate (ill keep watching the cutcenes, im posting here as soon as i notice something important)

We know that amon was some sort of technician and dealt with the recombination technics, and that xande and other allagan people , even in the crystal tower were geneticly modified. This pretty much tells us despite the difrence in the ''looks'' Coils/azys la should be as old as crystal towers.

We know that Azys la has been built 5000 years ago so i wonder, do we have any idea of what era that was, and how many years ago was a specific era?

Because there is the possibility that when it was theFourth(fixed) era calamity allagans were drawn to their knees,losing big part of their technological power but that doesnt make much sense.

There is the chance that the bela'dian etc are survivors of the allagans. The architecture of aqueduct is indeed the same as Qarn but aqueduct seems much older.
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Yet it would not make much sense to place important archeological and theological buildings in azys la. In Qarn, after adjudicator is dead. there is an altar of Azeyma aswell.

This seems like a big mess to me, and taking in mind the dates of the eras, i dont know what we can theorycraft at all.

[Frederick22]

comments

You are wrong in quite things. First of all dont relate the bela'dians with the allagans they have not relation at all. Is about Qarn where are speculating, but there is still no hard evidence

The start of the 3rd astral era meaned the begining of the allagan empire. The crystal tower was made after xande's first dead as a monument to honor him and as a building that showed the full mighty of the allagans
Dalamud and Azys' la were made very late on the astral era, on the final years of the empire. We know that Dalamud was made on xande's second reing. So yea se see a great tecnology difference on CT and damalud. but also wasnt just because of advance tecnology. Is also like a society differece, Crystal Tower and Fractal Continium where like places where people visit often, a castle, a musem etc, Dalamud was a super tech prision and machine, and Azys la is like a lab or recerch facility. If you look a house, a museum, a palace, and then you see a lab, a military base. You wont see a difference? so isnt only an age difference is also a society difference too.

Yes I think that long before allags appeared or probably at the begining of the allag empire, they worship azeyma, aka the sun. But after that with alll their advance in tecnology and cultural society, they stop doing it but they still gave importance to the sun, since it was the SUN their ilimitless source of energy