AST Sect Theory

[Apeiron]

But on his A2 clear that same ast was using Noct sect with his scholar partner, interesting no?

Definitely. I don't think the claim has been made in this thread that a Nocturnast can't complete content, only that it's not optimal -- especially when paired with a SCH. So far the claims have just been for Diurnast's MP efficiency and rolling HoT over the more potent healing spells. Likely more people have problems trying to mesh the playstyle of a Nocturnast without stepping on their SCH toes (which honestly shouldn't be too hard, just avoid 2 spells).

Sometimes a instant cast shields can do more for survival then people give thought about.the only true time the astrologian can shine is with precision coordination with the raid that Sally goes above and beyond the call of duty.

II'm tired of people blaming those who main an astrologian as holding the raid back.If you go by that logic then all play station users hold raid back because they are not on a pc.

Eeeh. Seems like a slippery slope argument with that one. Like, if you're talking about optimization, I get what you mean, but the limitations of a class vs difference in a gaming console isn't a good example to use.

[Ninimo_Babamo]

7 full pages of people telling you it's a bad idea. Still not giving up? Nobody wants to have their shields erased by another. It sucks.

[Vlady]

Eeeh. Seems like a slippery slope argument with that one. Like, if you're talking about optimization, I get what you mean, but the limitations of a class vs difference in a gaming console isn't a good example to use.

You claim that astrologians cannot compete on terms of throughput of white mage healing when the healing without considering cooldowns is around 4%. It is the mana efficiency that catches up with the astrologian so healing is a non factor. Noc and Duirnal are fine. The nerf to letting astro's swap stances with a cooldown in combat was what hit us with a ton of bricks at release of Heavensward.

[WingsOfAzrael]

Sometimes a instant cast shields can do more for survival then people give thought about.the only true time the astrologian can shine is with precision coordination with the raid that Sally goes above and beyond the call of duty.

II'm tired of people blaming those who main an astrologian as holding the raid back.If you go by that logic then all play station users hold raid back because they are not on a pc.

More than half the time they are right, asts can't keep up with healing on par with whm or sch. The fact is they have slightly lower healing potency.
Nocturnal stance costs more mp and the shields are crap compared to scholars.
Shields have weaker potency, regen is the same as whm but whm has more oh shit buttons, pom & ds. Cards do not make up for that.

I'm sorry what does playing on a pc have to do with anything?

[Apeiron]

7 full pages of people telling you it's a bad idea. Still not giving up? Nobody wants to have their shields erased by another. It sucks.

It's not about shields.

[Ninimo_Babamo]

At this point, you're only reading what you want to read. How's this. Once you get your AST to 60, get it a bit geared, and get into Alexander, try using your shields over a more powerful shield from a SCH. See how incredibly pissed off they get. HoTs with HoTs, great. Shields with shields, terrible. Can this threat just die already?

[Richiealvian]

At this point, you're only reading what you want to read. How's this. Once you get your AST to 60, get it a bit geared, and get into Alexander, try using your shields over a more powerful shield from a SCH. See how incredibly pissed off they get. HoTs with HoTs, great. Shields with shields, terrible. Can this threat just die already?

IMO you're not supposed to be "actively" shielding like SCHs. During Noct, what you make up for your SCH partner is that massive Benefic II. Yes, it's stronger than a cure II and it's something a scholar can appreciate. The noct shield is for stuff like OH SHIT I FORGOT from my personal experience.

[Apeiron]

At this point, you're only reading what you want to read. How's this. Once you get your AST to 60, get it a bit geared, and get into Alexander, try using your shields over a more powerful shield from a SCH. See how incredibly pissed off they get. HoTs with HoTs, great. Shields with shields, terrible. Can this threat just die already?

IMO you're not supposed to be "actively" shielding like SCHs. During Noct, what you make up for your SCH partner is that massive Benefic II. Yes, it's stronger than a cure II and it's something a scholar can appreciate. The noct shield is for stuff like OH SHIT I FORGOT from my personal experience.

This, mainly.

Over the course of the last 6-7 pages, I have not once specified that the Noctast should be shielding over the SCH. In point of fact, I encouraged Noctast to let the SCH take care of shielding. The only times where an AST would have to provide shields would be in a very select environment where a party member is outside the SCH range, and the SCH has already moved on to helping keep tanks up.

In the event that an AST does overwrite a SCH shield by accident, there's no reason to be angry with the AST. Their shield may not be the best, but it's still something. It's not as if the shield was removed all together.

[Zholi]

Uh... the HoTs from Diurnal are going to easily outpace the 5% healing boost from Noct. You know what's more potent than that "massive" Benefic II? Benefic II plus one single bloody HoT tick. Jesus Christ.

[Cynfael]

Thing is, your SCH partner doesn't give a crap about the +5% potency Benefic II cast out of Nocturnal. A 5% bonus to healing spells isn't nearly as strong a contribution as bringing on-demand HoT effects with Diurnal while still being able to use the base kit without the tiny, tacked-on potency buff.

Again, if you're not bringing Noct to cast shields, you aren't bringing it at all.