Physick is too weak for lvl 60 casters?

[Ayanno]

It is not good for soloing at 60 It heals for the same number now as it did at 50, even though our HP totals have doubled. Healing for 400-600HP when your HP is 5-6k like it was at 50, that's just enough to be decent, and just enough to help keep titan up. Healing for 400-600HP when your HP total is over 10,000 is not.

At 50, that 400-600HP cure was enough to offset that DoT, or that auto attack. At 60, both those DoT's and auto attacks from mobs also went up as HP totals did. Thus making it useless.

[justinjarjar]

It is not good for soloing at 60 It heals for the same number now as it did at 50, even though our HP totals have doubled. Healing for 400-600HP when your HP is 5-6k like it was at 50, that's just enough to be decent, and just enough to help keep titan up. Healing for 400-600HP when your HP total is over 10,000 is not.

At 50, that 400-600HP cure was enough to offset that DoT, or that auto attack. At 60, both those DoT's and auto attacks from mobs also went up as HP totals did. Thus making it useless.

And so does second wind still a measly 1-2k health on 120 second cooldown, whoopdedoda. Sorry the game is balanced around group content as intended. (400-600 heal is still really freaking good FYI)

[Malevicton]

It is not good for soloing at 60 It heals for the same number now as it did at 50, even though our HP totals have doubled. Healing for 400-600HP when your HP is 5-6k like it was at 50, that's just enough to be decent, and just enough to help keep titan up. Healing for 400-600HP when your HP total is over 10,000 is not.

At 50, that 400-600HP cure was enough to offset that DoT, or that auto attack. At 60, both those DoT's and auto attacks from mobs also went up as HP totals did. Thus making it useless.

You could cancel out an autoattack, or you could let the healer heal, and use that gcd to contribute more dps. It's not like you had any sustainable healing anyways.

A useless skill is now slightly more useless. I don't see why people care. It's like if they nerfed freeze, my only response would be "Oh darn now I'll have to continue never using it"

[Ayanno]

I don't have MNK above 50 so I haven't used Second Wind since then; however if it has not scaled to take into account our more then doubled HP totals, then it should also be boosted to reflect that. A 50 MNK with 6k HP healing themselves for 1.2k wasn't game breaking. Making it so the 10k HP MNK(or cross classed jobs) heal for the same percentage now that we have so much more HP would also be acceptable.

If SE had bothered scale various thing with the expansion, this wouldn't be an issue. Sadly, they didn't look at a lot of them, at all.

[Malevicton]

I don't have MNK above 50 so I haven't used Second Wind since then; however if it has not scaled to take into account our more then doubled HP totals, then it should also be boosted to reflect that. A 50 MNK with 6k HP healing themselves for 1.2k wasn't game breaking. Making it so the 10k HP MNK(or cross classed jobs) heal for the same percentage now that we have so much more HP would also be acceptable.

If SE had bothered scale various thing with the expansion, this wouldn't be an issue. Sadly, they didn't look at a lot of them, at all.

Second wind scales with attack power, so it scaled in the expansion.

Edit: took out needlessly snarky comment

As Main Class SMN ... well... I am using Physic often!
You are expected to HEAL when healer is down, you are expected to revive when any other is down, you are a support class after all...
Still, you can no longer fill that role!

If the healer's down you're expected to wipe. It's group content, you aren't supposed to be able to do that kinda stuff. You are expected to revive, but guess what? You still can (and it even scales).

[Yukiko]

(..) I don't see why people care. (..)

As Main Class SMN ... well... I am using Physic often!
You are expected to HEAL when healer is down, you are expected to revive when any other is down, you are a support class after all...
Still, you can no longer fill that role!

Edit: You should go more DF and not just static!

[Saggo]

It really wasn't decent at 50, though. It's only ever really been decent for soloing, and since you usually sleep before healing when you're solo it doesn't really matter how powerful each heal is. You have time to spare. (also, I've said this in other posts, but people here are misquoting how much it heals for by over double, so I really don't think they're making an informed argument.)

Well no. Burden is in the proof. All it takes is for one caster to legitimately save a run (dungeon, FATE, quest, or trial) at 50 and it's proven useful. There's a litany of evidence of people doing that, enough so that it can be called decent. Not all group content was Primal Extreme or Final Coil Something.

You also speak as if all casters are BLMs. Some of us play SMN, vis-a-vis, we usually don't cast sleep. There are pets, but they have to establish hate, that takes time. Physick is SMN's only useful defensive action, native or cross-class.

The only remotely okay argument was for it to be useful to augment healers when they're having trouble, but the game is currently balanced around healers doing the healing. Making blm or smn able to step in there would be a balancing nightmare, and since it's not necessary anyways it's asking for the devs to go through that balancing nightmare just to make up for a situation that shouldn't happen anyways.

Caster utility will always be good for a group, and as so many have pointed out, there's no such thing as a perfect situation. Calling balancing of a single healing spell on a caster is a nightmare is overly dramatic, and I don't feel like giving developers a free pass on that.

Why are you healing titan with physick? Heal it with sustain, the way the game is designed (a way that scales with hp btw).

Since Egi HP scaled slower than mob DPS, Sustain isn't sustainable, it's not even a stopgap. It's a lot more balanced to improve Physick's effect on pets than a buffing a HoT to keeping them alive what is basically indefinitely.

[justinjarjar]

As Main Class SMN ... well... I am using Physic often!
You are expected to HEAL when healer is down, you are expected to revive when any other is down, you are a support class after all...
Still, you can no longer fill that role!

What makes you think that you are support (FFXIV 1.0?) You are pure dps at least in HW, in no way is SMN going to or need to replace healer. Battle rezes are cute and if you need them cool, but over all you should only use phys. very infrequent and in very niche situations.

[Yukiko]

If the healer's down you're expected to wipe. It's group content, you aren't supposed to be able to do that kinda stuff. You are expected to revive, but guess what? You still can (and it even scales).

There is other content too, not only savage mode, you know?

[justinjarjar]

There is other content too, not only savage mode, you know?

but balance is and should be around group content not solo content. And it is balanced.