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    With machinist at least u can plan your movement or even have freedom of movement compared to bard.

    Move when u have procs. Plan movement withholding procs and when to effectively use ammo.

    Bard on the other hand got..... NOTHING other than using faint or switch off wm.

    Machinist is designed well around GB no doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty-handed View Post
    With machinist at least u can plan your movement or even have freedom of movement compared to bard.

    Move when u have procs. Plan movement withholding procs and when to effectively use ammo.

    Bard on the other hand got..... NOTHING other than using faint or switch off wm.

    Machinist is designed well around GB no doubt.
    bards have straighter shot procs
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    Flo Fyloord
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiurily View Post
    bards have straighter shot procs
    Which never procs in time unless you purposely delay your next weaponskill. Machinist requires forecasting and planning with ammo consumption, bard used to require fast reaction to pick up procs or else you'd waste them (which is now rendered moot because WM more or less disallows this). Both jobs also play nearly identical to each other under the effects of GB/WM, except MCH was designed around it so it flows more naturally when it comes to watching for procs and planning ahead.
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    Ephier Samoht
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty-handed View Post
    Machinist is designed well around GB no doubt.
    Agreed.

    Does anyone know if there are updated stat weights floating around?
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    Velhart Aurion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephier View Post
    Agreed.

    Does anyone know if there are updated stat weights floating around?
    Front page was updated with this in 3.01. Not sure if anyone has updated since then. For now my stat weights have been based off this:

    w/ GB
    WD - 10.71
    Dexterity - 1.000
    Determination - 0.125
    Critical Hit Rate - 0.140
    Skill Speed - 0.020
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    Front page was updated with this in 3.01. Not sure if anyone has updated since then. For now my stat weights have been based off this:

    w/ GB
    WD - 10.71
    Dexterity - 1.000
    Determination - 0.125
    Critical Hit Rate - 0.140
    Skill Speed - 0.020
    Those are the same I am already using then. Was just wondering if skill speed got any stronger from more testing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephier View Post
    Those are the same I am already using then. Was just wondering if skill speed got any stronger from more testing.
    I don't think so since we only have one DoT. Although I feel like skill speed could have a helping hand in getting all my shots in for Wildfire opener. I think Skill Speed is a more valuable stat on BRD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    I don't think so since we only have one DoT. Although I feel like skill speed could have a helping hand in getting all my shots in for Wildfire opener. I think Skill Speed is a more valuable stat on BRD.
    I agree. But them cast times under fey wind with all the retarded amount of skill speed we get from alex gear is ridiculous. I'm going to miss it when it goes bye. :<
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephier View Post
    I agree. But them cast times under fey wind with all the retarded amount of skill speed we get from alex gear is ridiculous. I'm going to miss it when it goes bye. :<
    If you are mixing and doing BiS with AF2 armor, there really isn't that much skill speed. The BiS I made (subject to changed based on accuracy requirements on A3/4 and change again based on information I gather from other's BiS), we get a grossing amount of crit in comparison to determination and skill speed.

    http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R3KD
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