whoa whoa whoa slow down

[Warlyx]

Um, what? When you hit 50 your last few pieces of AF gear were i55 and also Wanderer's Palace dropped i55 gear. You know, the very first level 50 dungeon people went to? Yeah sorry, it was i55 :P

illvl 70 gear (darklight) and ilvl 90 with capped tomes , i was able to buy Darklight chest after 2 days farming Amdapor (the old run to door and die made it faster to be fair)

so 55 to 90

160 to 200 (210)..

[Rufalus]

Just progress at your own pace. Higher item level gear will not be added for a very long time now.

Patches 3.01 and 3.05 were fragments of the Heavensward launch that got staggered out to allow players time to level and enjoy the story at their own pace before endgame weekly rewards began (alexander/esoterics).

It's all released now, they are not going to keep adding content patches at that pace, and the next one will be more of a gear catch-up than an increase -- 24 player alliance raid, rewards will not be stronger than alexander savage.

[SDaemon]

the drop of wanderer palace was i55 you are right, but amdapor was 60 i'm sure of this. they did change the table of drop later same for pharos sirius that was i60. but that not the point, by chaining amdapor (doable with the AF) you was gaining phylo and i60 gears then....

Yes, Amdaport was 60. It went i55-60-70-90 at release. Your primal weapons and allagan weapon skewed things at points but the sets were based around that. i80 came later with LotA's release for a end upgrade path of i55-60-70-80-90.

Most of the player-base were not doing Amdapor in just their AF. The dps check of Demon Wall at release was a huge block for a lot of people.

illvl 70 gear (darklight) and ilvl 90 with capped tomes , i was able to buy Darklight chest after 2 days farming Amdapor (the old run to door and die made it faster to be fair)

so 55 to 90

160 to 200 (210)..

Yes? I wasn't arguing against that, I was stating that it was i55 to start with through Wanderer's Palace, in response to Silent's "no, no, no" bit.

[silentwindfr]

for be fair, we had only one true dungeon 50 it was amdapor, wanderer was put there just for the form, and most of people did grind with castrum and praetorium.
but i digress, let's say 55-90 (even if i find ridiculous to say 55 since AF is 50-55 already) it's 35 ilevel with only 4 armor set (amdapor, darklight, myth, Allagan)
there we have 160-210:
- valerien armor (from dungeon 60)
- dhoma armor (from law token)
- dhoma armor upgraded (hunt and law)
- alexander NM (token from the raid)
- esotheric (caped token)
- esotheric upgraded (token from alexander savage)
- alexander savage (token from the raid)

7 armor set, with only 2 that have the same ilevel (savage and esotheric upgraded), let's say 6.... the point to add this much gears? i means they outdate them own equipement in the same tier.... seriously?

at best, the new 24 man raid will drop gears i190 same ilevel than Alexander nm, the new dungeon will probably drop 170-180 at best! they have create a mess with this progression...

Yes, Amdaport was 60. It went i55-60-70-90 at release. Your primal weapons and allagan weapon skewed things at points but the sets were based around that. i80 came later with LotA's release for a end upgrade path of i55-60-70-80-90.

Most of the player-base were not doing Amdapor in just their AF. The dps check of Demon Wall at release was a huge block for a lot of people.

depend of the person, we had no trouble to pass the demon wall, the dps check wasn't that hard, it simply people was bad to do it while taking care of the add. one of the rare place where the LB was really usefull in dungeon.

[SDaemon]

for be fair, we had only one true dungeon 50 it was amdapor, wanderer was put there just for the form, and most of people did grind with castrum and praetorium.
but i digress, let's say 55-90 (even if i find ridiculous to say 55 since AF is 50-55 already) it's 35 ilevel with only 4 armor set (amdapor, darklight, myth, Allagan)
there we have 160-210:
- valerien armor (from dungeon 60)
- dhoma armor (from law token)
- dhoma armor upgraded (hunt and law)
- alexander NM (token from the raid)
- esotheric (caped token)
- esotheric upgraded (token from alexander savage)
- alexander savage (token from the raid)

7 armor set, with only 2 that have the same ilevel (savage and esotheric upgraded), let's say 6.... the point to add this much gears? i means they outdate them own equipement in the same tier.... seriously?

To be fair? Many many people used GC weapons and Wanderer's Palace i55 gear to be able to get through Amdapor. You are completely disregarding Wanderer's Palace, as a dungeon and its i55 set, to skew an argument in your favor.

At level 50 you had WP, AK, Philo, Myth and Allagan. (5)
At level 60 you have Never/Fractal, Law, Prototype, Eso, Gordian. (5)
If you really, for whatever reason, want to include the upgrades on Law and Eso, that is indeed 7. But why? Upgrading Law is trivial and only serves to fluff your stats while you get Prototype gear/Eso and Eso upgrades are there, like always, to compete with Gordian at endgame.

You aren't really invalidating much of anything any differently in the past. Once you got i70 philo, the i55 and i60 sets were worthless to your main class but still useful to your alt classes. Once you get i180 on your main class, the i160 gear is just the same.

Through natural flow, you don't replace your i180 pieces for weeks and weeks for i190/200 gear due to lockouts and Eso is gated behind a cap. It isn't like we are all walking around in i190 plus or are going to be strutting through content in i200+ anytime soon.

Having gearing options and trickle for alt classes isn't a bad thing at all. I for one enjoy the fact that my AST is i180, my NIN is working on i190 and my MCN will be i200 in its own time. All 3 of which will be relevant for content. This doesn't even include the set from the coming 24-man.

If your focus is on only one class, then the progression of gear is a breeze. You can even skip the i180 entirely (though why would you as upgrading to i180 is as simple as buying the i170 now) and get i190 pieces with your i170 gear. No different than the skip between i70 and i90. i80 wasn't necessary but when it was released it was a nice fluff for those that came later.

[Mellaz]

I think it is Magi: The Labyrinth of Magic

THANK YOUUUU!!

[TheCurls]

I'll never understand why people are complaining about too many ways to get decent gear.

[Frederick22]

Like I said this no different, duuno why ppl are disagreed with me. Thanks to the people that agreed.
I'm gona explain this more detail so ppl dont misundertood and start saing " nonono, you wrong!!!"

On the realease 2.0 our gear progression was from 1 to 90
On the major patches was 20 ilvl each 2 patches

Now on the 3.0 expansion is from 130 to 210, if we said that we start from 120 to 210, there is no absolute difference with 2.0
Is much possible that bu the end the maximun ilvl will be 250, maybe.

The only difference is that SE fixed a lot of mistakes and now in fact getting gear is much more easier and also there even more end game gears than before

[Kaedan94]

People certainly have selective memories:

Darklight (Law gear) >> CT (Alex Normal) >> Myth gear (Eso gear) >> Coil (Alex Savage)

The only difference between 2.0 and 3.0 is that they give us the option to upgrade Law gear and Eso gear right away rather than waiting a few months. And upgrading is more for vanity than item level.

[MiniPrinny]

Between level 50 and completing the first Binding Coil of Bahamut our item levels went from level 50 to level 90, with the weapons received from Twintania being item level 95. Here, we see a similar trend with our item levels growing accordingly. We start at level 60 with an item level of 150. Expert dungeons reward item level 160, much like the expert dungeons before rewarding item level 55-60. From there, we have our Yasha armor, set at item level 170. This is similar to the Darklight armor at item level 70. A stark difference in Heavensward is that we have access to rather than just better weapons before our capped tomestones, we have a middle step, Asuran armor at item level 180. The sets which served this purpose in A Realm Reborn were those gotten from the Labyrinth of the Ancients at item level 80, but these weren't added until later, leaving us just with the weapons obtained from Titan to face the first Binding Coil with.

Now, the Binding Coil and Alexander is where things get interesting. The first Binding Coil and the Allagan Tomestones of Mythology which came with it both rewarded item level 90 equipment. In Heavensward, we have Alexander and Ravana rewarding item level 190 equipment. However, they wished for the savage version of Alexander to have higher item levels suitable for the effort you put in, hence why the Allagan Tomestones of Esoterics and Alexander (Savage) rewards item level 200 and 210 equipment respectfully. Most likely, the new 24-man raid in 3.1 will also reward item level 200 equipment, leaving Alexander: Gordias (Savage) as the sole source of item level 210 equipment until the next wing of Alexander, which will likely reward item level 210 equipment, with the new Tomestones and Savage mode of the next Alexander wing rewarding 220 and 230 respectfully. This pattern will likely continue with us reaching an end item level of 250 by the time Heavensward is over.