Did Yoshida went a bit too far by cloning WoW?

[Tonkra]

Why are you do desperate to call FFXIV a WoW clone? You keep using piss-poor examples that only show vague similarities. Of course FFXIV has a few similar elements to WoW. Most modern MMOs share a few similarities with it. Just like WoW shares things with the games that predate it. But having a handful of things being similar doesn't make something a clone. There are far more things different between the two than there are similar.

And why are you so desperate to say that FFXIV didnt clone anything from FFXIV huh?


If you had played the offline titles, FFXI and FFXIV 1.24 you obviously would see how much FFXIV ARR is driven by WoW.
and i wouldnt say that for example ESO is sharing much with WoW other than being the same genre..

Lol, so FFXI and XIV are closer to offline FFs because of a bad UI?

i said: for example... and i cant explain a whole game to you if you havent played it..

And yes.. FFXIV Combat system -> 1:1 WoW Combat system.

[Gilthas]

If you had played the offline titles, FFXI and FFXIV 1.24 you obviously would see how much FFXIV ARR is driven by WoW.

If anything, you're the one that hasn't played much of the offline titles given your ignorance of so many FF elements.

[Naraku_Diabolos]

But WoW combat is just spanking invisible ass and throwing invisible objects. The combat isn't even close to what we have on FFXIV; their characters just stand there and there's no actual dodging. Heck, ESO crafting looks like they are jerking off on a robotic animation; crafting in FFXIV has characters who are interacting with what they are doing.

[ElHeggunte]

just because it has to be realtime for an MMO... FFXI for example had at least the same menu as within the offline titles

The menus were a nightmare to deal with so 99% of players did everything via macros anyway, which more or less gave us a half-assed version of the hotbars most MMOs use now. I wont even get into how the macro system was so poor that a lot of players had to use 3rd party tools to make them useable.

And why are you so desperate to say that FFXIV didnt clone anything from FFXIV huh?

I never said it didn't. I even said they share similarities in the part of my post that you quoted. But having similar elements doesn't make something a clone.

[Tonkra]

I never said it didn't. I even said they share similarities in the part of my post that you quoted. But having similar elements doesn't make something a clone.

im not saying a clone either.. i said (headline) did he went too far by cloning WoW.
Which means did his team cloned too much from it? Gameplay wise etc.

because for me it more and more feels like WoW.. how the whole game is based on a specific system.. we have ilevels now, ilevel resets just like in WoW. that combat system is nothing different to wow instead of making something own.
and building TP up in order to use special abillities which for me fits more what FF combat feels like (my opinion).

I think he's legitimately trolling at this point, judging by his recent posts. Best to just stop and ignore. :0

not trolling, at this point im just very disappointed and frustrated.. when i look back and what it became now. thats all.
thats the way _I_ feel. im sorry if that doesnt fit your personal opinion.

i could say the same about you who doesnt even admit the most obvious things (like UI and stuff)..

[Gilthas]

i said: for example... and i cant explain a whole game to you if you havent played it..

But I did play them, that's why I know your arguments are pretty meaningless.