Parsers make you stupid

[Bishop81]

If you don't have the ability to have a decent discussion without "ranting" why come here at all?

The point is that with the data that parsers give you can analyze where exactly the issue is. Has nothing to do with crying about buffs and if that is the latest excuse against parsers you are really grasping for strings at this point.

Also, this thread is getting quite hypocritical at this point.
Nobody else is allowed to judge your way of play but if other people dare to do it otherwise it's nonsense like "Is that the kind of community SE wants to encourage?"

Different strokes for different folks.

/sigh

What wrong with playing with the tools given to you? Why can't you play within the "rules" (yes, it includes the limitation of the UI)?

People here have stated that you can clear raids without 3rd party software like parsers.

Oh, I don't think see treating others just as tools to further your own gear progression as a valid "way of play". Or at least it won't be a pleasant one, ergo, not healthy for the game in the long term.

Hit post limit so replying here.

And there you are again.

One line everyone should respect your way of play, the other you look down upon others.
If you don't understand it, don't comment on it.

Oh, I understand only too well.

Look at WoW. Look at the guild hopping and guild member poaching. Look at the way the developers bend over backwards to make sure all the classes are at parity, they retune every tier to make sure, else people will get "sat" and the forums will drown in tears. Players would rather give the finger to follow players if it meant quicker progression.

I don't think it's good for the game to encourage this sort of behavior.

[Assirra]

/sigh

What wrong with playing with the tools given to you? Why can't you play within the "rules" (yes, it includes the limitation of the UI)?

People here clear state you can clear raids without 3rd party software like parsers.

Oh, I don't think see treating others just as tools to further your own gear progression as a "way of play".

And there you are again.

One line everyone should respect your way of play, the other you look down upon others.
If you don't understand it, don't comment on it. Some people like to push it the extra mile and guess what and i am going to put it in caps so it might get in your head. THAT IS WHAT THEY LIKE.
I was part of such a group, we were a bunch of fun people joking in vent but when it was raiding time, stuff was serious and everyone had to pull their weight. The result was we were server first on most bosses and before strategies were out for everyone to copy. That was completely worth the serious atmosphere during raiding time and nobody complained.
The feeling of killing a big boss with your own designed strategies and the yelling once the boss went down was amazing.

[Krylo]

Look at WoW. Look at the guild hopping and guild member poaching. Look at the way the developers bend over backwards to make sure all the classes are at parity, they retune every tier to make sure, else people will get "sat" and the forums will drown in tears. Players would rather give the finger to follow players if it meant quicker progression.

I don't think it's good for the game to encourage this sort of behavior.

Look: Either classes are all balanced very close to each other and are all capable of meeting necessary checks, or weaker classes get pushed out, OR you make the content incredibly face roll easy so literally anyone can do it, because you have to account for a group of nothing but your weakest class.

That 'behavior' is necessary for clearly anything that's ACTUALLY difficult. You either train people up to be on the level of the content, ask them to change classes, or don't let them in if they're not there. Otherwise you can't win.

The alternative is to have nothing in the game that's harder than Neverreap. Nothing that challenges anyone at all in any real way.