This patch dropped the ball hard

[Rafaelhades]

Rafaelhades that is exactly what I've been saying earlier in the thread about the way the rewards are being distributed. The majority of the newest currency are locked into either expert roulette, made up of two dungeons, and Alexander. Those two are the easiest sources of this editions myth tomes, and already people were burned out on expert roulette from farming law. Now we don't even have high level roulette to help break things up.

People should be getting small amounts of true end game gear currency from just about everything they do. That way there is enough variety to keep people playing, maybe even earn some while leveling other jobs.

But we already do. I've capped Esoterics on Wednesday doing anything but roulette and dungeon spam. Got Alex gear for the week through PF runs and DF, did Ravana EX with static for weapons and tokens and did 0 dungeons for my mains. Geared both BRD and MCH and used roulettes to level WAR to 56. There is enough variety in the current content to not burn out grinding tomes from Neverreap/Fractal, unless you absolutely need to cap on Tuesday.

Granted, I spammed Alex 20 times due to 4 run pts and Ravana because he's sgot a stranglehold on my bow but better and faster than Neverreap ad nauseum.

[BreathlessTao]

If you want something changed, you have to give evidence that it would be an improvement and that the majority would like it.

Uh...huh....right. Yeah, in theory. In theory that's how it is and that's how it works. In practice however... in short: don't tell me all those failures would have happened if that was the way it works. All the new - whatever type of content in any game, or any sequel of any game, or even movies or whatever - that so many things in history failed because the market research teams did all their work and did it 100% perfectly and reliably. Proof only goes so far, and especially when it's not proof but only a projection of expectations for the future, it has as much chance to fail as to do succeed. Many of the biggest successes are actually born from taking the biggest risks; sure you can go on walking the same old path every day, but eventually it will get old and obsolete and you'll meet less and less people on that road as time goes by. And when you realise you should've found another path because yours is all abandoned, it's already too late.

As a business, their goal is to please the largest number of people they can, which often means upsetting the minority.

Again, in theory. I've lost count of how many times I felt that SE is aiming to please, say, hardcore raiders/crafters/gatherers, and not giving one chocobo tailfeather about the rest of us. Don't tell me those groups are not absolute minorities; don't tell me I must be alone having felt like that - posts across numerous threads over the months have proven that I'm not. Even if the people posting on here are only a small fraction of the actual playerbase. So yeah, once again, theoretically that's how it works. But practice is different and in practice that "rule" has to be overlooked and overwritten far too often, because the several minorities will end up making up quite a nice chunk of the whole, while the "majority" is just "doing ok anyway".

We do. We get Eso from every roulette except MSQ.

We get Esoterics from Expert (35), Leveling (5, and it's completely stupid, being forced to choose between leveling and Esoterics), Trials (10), and Frontline (20, but good luck with that, at least on some worlds the queues are pretty much infinite because nobody's doing PvP).
No Esoterics from High - again, stupid, because those are literally not good for anything else than tomes (and zodiac drops maybe but then you don't do that via roulette), I really don't understand why the lv50 "hard" ones and their equivalents were not upgraded to give at least some spare change exp at least from the bosses; no Esoterics from MSQ - I'd say it's also stupid, because 120 Poetics will not ever encourage anyone at 60 to go and help out with CM/Praetorium; no Esoterics from Guildhest Roulette either - that's maybe the only one that actually makes sense (though maybe this one could drop some Poetics or maybe Law when done with a lv60, else there's no motivation to help out here either).

But we already do. I've capped Esoterics on Wednesday doing anything but roulette and dungeon spam. Got Alex gear for the week through PF runs and DF, did Ravana EX with static for weapons and tokens and did 0 dungeons for my mains. Geared both BRD and MCH and used roulettes to level WAR to 56. There is enough variety in the current content to not burn out grinding tomes from Neverreap/Fractal, unless you absolutely need to cap on Tuesday.

Granted, I spammed Alex 20 times due to 4 run pts and Ravana because he's sgot a stranglehold on my bow but better and faster than Neverreap ad nauseum.

Good for you! Like, honestly, I do mean that. /cheer
But let's look at the other side. I've leveled my BLM from 58+ to 60. I did Experts, and at least once went through all the other roulettes as well (except for Frontline because that's impossible). I did hunts, I did a few FATEs. I farmed Alexander for drops, got it from 3 and 4, still missing from 1 and 2. Did GC Provisioning like twice with both MNR and BTN. So I don't think I can be blamed with doing content in a way that'd get me to burn out. I can't farm Ravana because I still couldn't even find a group that could've managed to kill Bismarck. That's where I am right now, and I still "only" have 390 Esoterics. And yes I know it's basically one roulette to cap now, just countering all that. It's Saturday (for me here) and I'm still not capped - pretty sure about as many people are in my shoes as in yours.