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  1. #41
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    In the trailer, Derplander changed from WAR to DRG. In the past videos, he changed from greatsword to bow to greatsword and then showed up later as a WAR. He can change his class and job just like anybody else, and at any time.

    In the game, the Warrior of Darkness looked just like the Derplander did as WAR.

    That is all we know. Literally everything else is assumption. We don't know whether the Warrior of Darkness has any connection at all to the Derplander. The fact that they look alike could mean nothing. Any ideas suggesting that it is more than that are pure speculation. It could mean this, it could mean that, it could mean some other thing.

    Please don't anybody forget this, even if it ends up being true later that there's some connection or hint, lol.
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    As I stated before I see absolutely no sense in using derplander as a replacement for our character out of CGI-Sequences.

    Speaking hypothetical.. how dumb would it be, if our character had the ability to have a glance at future events (enhanced echo superpowers, lol).. and then we see derplander killing Niddhog (in game engine scene), but later on it's us, 'cause we were just replaced in that ingame-scene by derplander.

    What happens in CGI has not to be real in terms of "it happened exactly this way on Hydalin", just take a look at the HW-intro. Before HW CGI just said "Those things happened before: ... ", after HW even that's not the case anymore.
    They could just make the protagonist of the CGIs a blonde or female or lalafell and there would be no problem at all lorewise.

    But what happens in ingame scenes has to be real. When you see Cid doing stuff, he did this stuff lorewise and it was, in game reality, Cid doing it and no one other. If you see derplander it is derplander.
    Or a shapeshifting creature (which likes to stay on the moon in derplander form just ffs).
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    Just imaging your playing the HW-arc, when 3.x or 4.0 is released: It would be obviously very ridicolous, if you reach end of 3.0 to see derplander-WoD and then, few hours/MSQ-quests later, he transform magically into a mirror version of yourself.
    From male Hyuran warrior to female lalafell whitemage? Why then Hyuran-form on the moon at all? Just for a cheap discussion starter?
    There are about 1000 better ways of hinting that "WoD is a dark version of yourself", without using the CGI-replacement as an ingame-replacement for our character.
    Real hints (those which would work in a book/movie/story too) and not some stupid meta-hint (where you compare two models in different media and try to transfer one's function to the other).
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    Last edited by Neophyte; 07-23-2015 at 06:22 PM.

  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    People need to stop looking at Derplander as a character and realise that he's a symbol to represent all of us players.
    That would be absolutely true if the last scene was a CG.

    But, with in-engine cutscene, if the WoD was supposed to only represent out counterpart, it would have been logical to give "it" the same model as us, like they actually did in the DRK quest.
    Last time something like that appeared, it was in Wings Of The Goddess in FFXI, where our counterpart was, really our own character from a different world.

    What if Derplander is actualy a chosen warrior from a mirror universe ? Maybe we live in the "World of Light" but each person has its counterpart in the "World of Darkness". After all, in the actual raid, we only saw a fragment of this world. Maybe the End of an Era cutscene was showing a parrallel-Louisoix, a parrallel-Bahamut, parrallel-Kan-e-Senna, etc...
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    or it could just be that its in a multi person dungeon so the WoD ends up taking the appearance of 1 of the members of the group which would mean that its just a temp char like in the CGI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    The thing is Ferne explicitly compares him to other player characters. He is a real character in the same way all of your characters are. He is not an NPC and Ferne was fairly clear in that through his repeated references to player avatars.
    Yes he does make it perfectly clear, the characters in the CGs are both representative of players and characters that are traveling around Eorzea. Playable character and non playable character. We may have even seem them walking around without even noticing, a random character that have no name and can't be interacted with have you seen just walking the streets. Would really notice the Hyur Midlander if he wasn't in WAR AF?

    Look at the opening movies closer. We only see them at the Battle of Silvertear, Battle of Carteneau Flats, and entering Ishgard. In fact if you look at the Ishgard trialer close it's different from ours. He is alone and stays at a dusty inn room. Someone also made a mind blow revelation that in those times we see him represent us as the player, it's through the power of the Echo.
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    Last edited by Dyvid; 07-24-2015 at 04:37 AM.

  6. #46
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    I am not worried about the Warrior of Darkness at all. I mean look, hes using a base relic and in AF1 gear. I bet he hasn't even done Coils yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    I am not worried about the Warrior of Darkness at all. I mean look, hes using a base relic and in AF1 gear. I bet he hasn't even done Coils yet.
    He managed to wear full DRG esoteric gear while Ishgard was still fighting Dravanian forces.

    He just followed the hype for Dragoon and put WAR aside
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    I am not worried about the Warrior of Darkness at all. I mean look, hes using a base relic and in AF1 gear. I bet he hasn't even done Coils yet.
    You must not have heard about glamours!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    That would be absolutely true if the last scene was a CG.

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    Elidibus to the WoD say "you and yours". So I think we'll see a mirror version of ourselves, and Darklander is just here to represent the Warriors of Darkness, just like Derplander is here to represent the Warriors of Light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekundessounet View Post
    Elidibus to the WoD say "you and yours". So I think we'll see a mirror version of ourselves, and Darklander is just here to represent the Warriors of Darkness, just like Derplander is here to represent the Warriors of Light.
    now that you mention it if that's true we will have to rename derplander to lightlander...
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