Fending vs. Slaying accessories at this point in the game

[dragoelete]

The "Tank should not have to dps" argument has BEEN dead why do people continue after it started in FCOB ........ WAR has a friggen dps STANCE and 2 DPS MOVES. USE IT TO MEET DPS CHECKS. AS for me i've stuck 4/5 accessory slots with penta melded 150 slaying meldedwith VIT and one other IV meld ...... this gives mebase HP of about 19,300 in Defiance. With food well over 20k obviously and DPS is outrageously On POINT. The last slot is the 190 Gordian Protoype Slaying ring since it has 40 STR DET/CRIT and i have no need for more vitality. This extra fight wide 500 to 550 dps can turn a loss into a win.

... why does someone always have to start this argument every time there is a thread in the tank forum? cant they get it through there thick skulls (really now i know your a tank and all but maybe your skull is a little to thick) that if a tank (especially the main tank) has to switch to the DPS stance then there's more than a few problems with the DPS...

[AnimaS]

... why does someone always have to start this argument every time there is a thread in the tank forum? cant they get it through there thick skulls (really now i know your a tank and all but maybe your skull is a little to thick) that if a tank (especially the main tank) has to switch to the DPS stance then there's more than a few problems with the DPS...

WRONG let me make this ABUNDANTLY clear since you have never raided (if you have you are beyond saving) a DPS CHECK requiring a net output of say, 5000DPS with a group putting out 4500, and the offtank not doing anything (Like A1) for the first few minutes of the fight (get this through your thick skull) the OFFTANK can easily provode that extra 500 DPS and WIN the Raid, getting better gear so the DPS can output more DAMAGE. That is the point in raiding, it is a challenge. You don't get it.

[dragoelete]

WRONG let me make this ABUNDANTLY clear since you have never raided (if you have you are beyond saving) a DPS CHECK requiring a net output of say, 5000DPS with a group putting out 4500, and the offtank not doing anything (Like A1) for the first few minutes of the fight (get this through your thick skull) the OFFTANK can easily provode that extra 500 DPS and WIN the Raid, getting better gear so the DPS can output more DAMAGE. That is the point in raiding, it is a challenge. You don't get it.

no in case you were wondering i have raided before and a off tank doesn't even need full str gear to do 500 dps ... heck a war could prolly do 500 dps in full vit gear as off tank... and if the off tank isn't attacking then they are a bad off tank its that simple. cause the off tank needs to be attacking so they have even a bit of aggro in case something goes really wrong and the main tank dies.

[AnimaS]

cause the off tank needs to be attacking so they have even a bit of aggro in case something goes really wrong and the main tank dies.

I'll just let you keep talking because you're doing a fine job of making an utter mockery of yourself.. FYI NO ,this is what "PROVOKE" is for LOL

[Donjo]

MythToken: Last time I fought Oppressor, I was doing so at 21k HP as a Warrior(4 VIT + 1 STR accessory). Having Storm's Path, Vengeance, and Inner Beast up for the fabled 25k buster knocks it down to 13-14k, and I immediately follow the hit with Equilibrium to leave me in a safer position. 19k is definitely doable, but having 20-21k for safety would not be remiss. The Tanks aren't the only ones taking oodles of damage during that particular moment.

AnimaS: There is one, and only one, situation in the game where a Tank stacking Strength could be considered to be necessary to win an encounter: undergeared progression. If you're sitting pretty at proper gear levels and a Tank still needs to spec away from VIT to simply win, then the DPS have definitely dropped the ball somewhere. In progression, though, it is serving much the same purpose as healer DPS: A calculated risk that can make a normally impassible check possible if executed correctly. Everywhere else, damage beyond VIT is just a bonus. This is why the creed of "adapt and overcome" is so often being attributed to Tanks, and knowing when to use which stat is one element that separates a real Tank from that Dragoon who goes "my time is now" and clutch tanks the boss for ten seconds while the proper Tank(s) get raised.

[pandabearcat]

The only thing DRG seem to be able to tank is the ground.

And they are fabulous at it.

[dragoelete]

The only thing DRG seem to be able to tank is the ground.

And they are fabulous at it.

... i still think they should give DRG the ability to actually move(even a bit) while in their jump animation... cause i mean come on a ninja can jump in the air while spinning and see an aoe under them "no problem i will just move a little to the left" (while still in mid air...) where as a dragoon in mid leap is like "o s[kupo] theirs a giant red spot under me" they come down from the leap and splat the aoe whacks them right in the face...

[Ronzeru]

The only thing DRG seem to be able to tank is the ground.

And they are fabulous at it.

That was in 2.0. You're confusing DRG now with MCH/BRD. It's fine. The confusion is understandable.

[MythToken]

MythToken: Last time I fought Oppressor...

Excellent, thx for the input Donjo at least gives me some rough numbers to work with.

I tend to wear mostly STR gear for Faust as OT really helps on DPS for that. But i definitely might need to switch a few pieces out for Oppressor.

[spelley]

The only thing DRG seem to be able to tank is the ground.

And they are fabulous at it.

It's so funny to me how many DRGs forget about Bloodbath and Second Wind. I've used them both to great effect when "accidentally" taking aggro. A4 1st phase is especially vulnerable to the DRG opener pull if the tank slacks on the enmity skills. I've clutch tanked on a few HM Primals before with my DRG when a tank goes down using them wisely :P