Bard - they broke my job

[Katchoo]

Hypothesis: Bard's now do LESS damage in HIGH mobility required fights.

In a situation where having WM on would do less damage than having it off, this does not necessarily mean you are doing more damage just better damage than with it on. It's still a DPS loss from an average fight. If that makes any sense.

You would have to have an extreme amount of downtime on melee DPS for this to balance properly as other classes have had their DPS increased due to the nature of their rotations we have nothing outside WM aside from SW ... which got nerfed to hell.

Essentially while WM is off you are a 2.55 Bard while other classes will always remain a 3.00 DPS.

[Deviant1]

Essentially while WM is off you are a 2.55 Bard while other classes will always remain a 3.00 DPS.

Not as accurate as one would hope. With the changes to autoattack, barrage, ect., and the selection of level appropriate gear: Your weaker then a 2.4 brd. Your total DPS output will always be the same as any other dps who is 20-40 ilvls lower.

Alot of the brd gear is skill speed, and even if you were to mix and match the gear to get the 'right' stats, it would still do a little less damage since your auto attacks are nerfed due to the determination changes.

It is unfortunate that SE has decided to basically make two jobs (brd & mch) nearly identical, and magically at the same time make them obsolete in the content.

[Aiselia]

It is unfortunate that SE has decided to basically make two jobs (brd & mch) nearly identical, and magically at the same time make them obsolete in the content.

And even better, give AST some MP/TP regen that they can spread around that won't negatively affect DPS.

[Sessurea]

And even better, give AST some MP/TP regen that they can spread around that won't negatively affect DPS.

I'm cool with that, more foe for blm. Less damage nerf for me.

[RiceisNice]

And even better, give AST some MP/TP regen that they can spread around that won't negatively affect DPS.

AST still fails short of everything else though compared to WHM amd SCH when it comes to what actually matters; healing output.

[Aezelas]

AST still fails short of everything else though compared to WHM amd SCH when it comes to what actually matters; healing output.

And SE's answer to fix what actually matters to AST is giving them the one thing we were still desirable for.
Way to kick a man when he's down.

[Aiselia]

AST still fails short of everything else though compared to WHM amd SCH when it comes to what actually matters; healing output.

I wonder how much that will actually be relevant, going by the various assertions in certain threads that at least one of the healers in the raids is always having soooooo much downtime from healing that they can just DPS and therefore are practically an extra DPS. If they're already making it with 1.5 healers, will AST's shortcomings be outweighed by their ability to cover TP/MP regen so you don't need a Bard/MCH? Or how many buffs to AST will it take until that's the case?

I guess time will tell. After all, current top-end weapons have bumped the gap by another point of weapon damage for Bards.

[aabe]

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1. You are slightly weaker than 2.4 brd out of wm but you are not meant to have it off for super long
2. Secondaries are weighted very weakly right now as SE toned them down to plan around future stat inflation. Who cares about anything but acc and mainstat RN
3. Every alex PF I've seen today has a BRD/MCH slot
4. Alex 1 Savage went completely fine for me with my static and BRD either does more than enough in one fight or their songs are valuable. One or the other.
You people act like numbers are why anybody wants a BRD

[Taban]

You people act like numbers are why anybody wants a BRD

Can I join your static and sit in the corner until you want ballad? =p

[yamochan]

I'm cool with that, more foe for blm. Less damage nerf for me.

no ur not cool with that cause no manasong means no bard in raids means again no foe for anyone

AST still fails short of everything else though compared to WHM amd SCH when it comes to what actually matters; healing output.

not all fights are healing heavy encounters (ravana ex doesnt need much for example) bring the AST and buff the everloving shit out

4. Alex 1 Savage went completely fine for me with my static and BRD either does more than enough in one fight or their songs are valuable. One or the other.
You people act like numbers are why anybody wants a BRD

send us some data of ur "more than enough" plz cause with that we can work and i dont belive in more than enoughs i belive in numbers