So Thursday's maintenance is supposed to bring crafting/gardening adjustments...

[Vandril]

Srsly you all set a GAME on the same Level as Real Life? I won't reply to any of your Comments sorry thats Way too crazy. A Game is meant to be enjoyed not to be a second Job after i got Home from Work.



I'm sorry Nadirah of course it wasn't meant for you it was meant for this one:



And your Quote was my Second Attempt to explain it to the Birdbrain. But gosh give up. They don't want to change it to the better. As long they get their Gil they are happy and get unhappy if someone starts stealing a Portion of the Cake.

Okay, so, let's say they made the materials requirement a bit lower for levels 50-60. Great!

Now, would you level the crafting classes now that it was made easier in order to make your desired items?

No, of course not. You'd watch the market for those items until the price plummeted enough to where you could happily buy the item. You don't want the material requirements lowered so that you could level the craft yourself, you want it so that you can buy the item you want more cheaply, so that you can retain the rest of your money for other things.

No matter how you twist it, what you're asking for is as selfish as you're claiming crafters are.

Until you admit that, you're even worse than these purportedly greedy crafters all over this thread. At least most of them admitted they just want to feel like they gained ample compensation for their time and effort spent leveling crafting to be able to create the items they sell. Meanwhile, you continue to imply that you're arguing for the folks who can't afford the items being sold and point your finger and all the blame at those "greedy crafters", all the while actually pining for cheaper prices for all only for the sake of your own pockets. You want it cheaper for yourself. It being cheaper for everyone else is just a nice side effect.

Stop being self-righteous. Stop being hypocritical. And then maybe - just maybe - you could get people to actually agree with you.
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You don't make that kind of gil without either buying it, playing the market, having immensely epic RNG with rare minions, having high end crafting skills or selling your house on a high pop server.

I did play the market, but I did not farm, craft, or buy from the market for resale.

I did exactly what was pointed out earlier in this thread (but after your quoted post):

try it with reselling
as an example: Buy crafting gear from the NPC at the moogle village for 9k gil, sell it on the MB for 30k gil

I didn't do this for the level 55 crafting gear, but the level 50 i115 equipment. I would buy them for a price, then put them up on the market for a markup.

It is far from the scam that some people claim it to be, as well. I have more faith in people than to believe that they'll do something as stupid as purchase the overpriced vendor gear placed on the market when they could just buy it from said vendor. I put this vendor gear up there because there are many people who still do not have Heavensward and are sitting at level 50. These people who cannot access the new vendors will surely desire the level 50 i115 gear, which creates a legitimate demand and market for these items, driving the prices higher than the vendor costs.

I spent 30 minutes every day restocking these vendor items, making gil by the millions. And it wasn't because I had my high level crafters or gatherers, or because I was lucky with RNG that I made my 50 mil this expansion so quickly. It was because I put just a little thought into the demand of the market.

For many servers, the time to be able to do this has passed. My own server's markets are starting to stabilize around vendor price for NQ equipment, so it won't be profitable much longer. But the entire point in me posting about this was to explain that there are opportunities for people who purely play DoW/M classes/jobs to make small fortunes. You just need to keep an open eye for these opportunities before they pass you by.

[Hypie]

Okay, so, let's say they made the materials requirement a bit lower for levels 50-60. Great!

Now, would you level the crafting classes now that it was made easier in order to make your desired items?

No, of course not. You'd watch the market for those items until the price plummeted enough to where you could happily buy the item. You don't want the material requirements lowered so that you could level the craft yourself, you want it so that you can buy the item you want more cheaply, so that you can retain the rest of your money for other things.

No matter how you twist it, what you're asking for is as selfish as you're claiming crafters are.

Until you admit that, you're even worse than these purportedly greedy crafters all over this thread. At least most of them admitted they just want to feel like they gained ample compensation for their time and effort spent leveling crafting to be able to create the items they sell. Meanwhile, you continue to imply that you're arguing for the folks who can't afford the items being sold and point your finger and all the blame at those "greedy crafters", all the while actually pining for cheaper prices for all only for the sake of your own pockets. You want it cheaper for yourself. It being cheaper for everyone else is just a nice side effect.

Stop being self-righteous. Stop being hypocritical. And then maybe - just maybe - you could get people to actually agree with you.

That's not entirely true. If would see real change...and i meant REAL Change not like...

Example Patchnotes:

-We raised the Dropquota for All Crafting Stuff for 6%

Then i would race Level Crafting. I enjoy a good reasonable Crafting System. You know i invested a whole Day for all that Crafting Stuff and yes i'm not unbiased because of my entire negative Experience with Crafters(and these Exp continously pills up every day) it's just...can you understand that players whos entire contact with crafters was a negatively experience can hardly agree that crafters are "good people"?

All that "good and bad" aside it doesn't changes the Fact that the System is not really viable for the Mass and its heavy punishing to Players interested in Crafting. And let's be honest Heavensward is a Addon that is tailored to get more broad Base to play XIV (i can't understand how they want to achieve that locking it behind arr story but thats another story). Such a outdated System no longer works.

I already pointed out Ways how Crafting could be opened up more on several Threads (all dead now) but all i got was "He is just too lazy" The Frustation, the Anger it bursted out here when the same discussion brewed up again. In i am really really REALLY fed up saying the same Stuff over and over again. It's like you talk to Wall...

Then obviously this game is too hard for you to enjoy it since you don't understand how the game works. What better ways to complain the system is broken rather than trying to get your ass out there and earn some gil. And honestly i wonder who the bird brain is, when obviously you can't use a certain percentage of it to earn gil in this game which is one of the easiest aspect of the game. It's hilarious to watch you defend yourself and throwing insults at crafters.

I do understand how the Game works. Do you enjoy killing Mobs over and over and over and over for getting Materials? I do not. And you do not. That's why you buy it from the MB. And this Spirals up the Price. Or you send your faithful poor Retainers out without Rest to get you Materials (attention black humor buff active).

There are so many bitter, poor people in this thread. So many.

Actually i sit on a Gil Mountain of 12 Million Gil....used the MB ONCE for buying the Axe for the Bravura Questchain. And no i don't RMT.It just piled up doing Quests, Fates and selling all that Crap that the Monsters drop to the NPC *shrugs*, yes i did know i could have made even more Gil but i won't support the current Crafting System.

Not because of the Crafters (i got whacked by Friends =_=") but because i don't want to feed such a outdated System.

[BonzaiFerroni]

...can you understand that players whos entire contact with crafters was a negatively experience can hardly agree that crafters are "good people"?

I'm a crafter, and actually, I'm a terrible person! One time me and a friend (also a crafter) went outside of the Goblet and spent a good amount of time just poisoning ladybugs. With poisoning potions. That we crafted. True story!

Edit: Sometimes when I am quick synthing goods in front of the marketboard I can actually feel my heart growing darker.

[KyrsIsley]

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If you had even bothered to level up crafter during 2.0 the easy/slow way of turning items to GC daily, you could have had every single crafting and gathering jobs at 50 by 3.0. With 12 million gil you could have easily gotten multiple crafting jobs to level 60 by simply buying leve turn in items from the NPC (so you don't get "ripped off" by crafters) and made your way to level 60. You could be making easy money selling processed HQ materials right now instead of crying on the forum.

In case you are wondering how you can level from 50-60 with items available fromt the NPC and leves, here: http://gyazo.com/56dfbd6033f0a3e017cd1feda213e20e. I was able to compile the information in 30 minutes and if you are not willing to even spend 30 minutes to play a game. Don't tell people how this is suppose to be easy/enjoyable and not like a second job. This IS easy, you are just lazy.

[Santherelle]

In case you are wondering how you can level from 50-60 with NPC items and leves, here: http://gyazo.com/56dfbd6033f0a3e017cd1feda213e20e. I was able to compile the information in 30 minutes and if you are not willing to even spend 30 minutes to play a game. Don't tell people how this is suppose to be easy/enjoyable and not like a second job. This IS easy, you are just lazy.

So are those numbers per level or from 50 to 60? because that is not that bad.

And are you crafting all the items from start to finish or are you buying them in whole or in part from the MB?

[KyrsIsley]

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These are all items that can be bought directly from the NPC, so it's a fixed cost per item/turn-in. You don't have to depend on any crafter, nor prepare any materials. You buy them straight from the NPC, head to the leve counter and hand them in. Only downside is, this will consume more leves than handing in HQ items. But leves are free, you can just do them slowly at your own pace.

Each column is 2 levels. Take Carpenter for example, Mythrite Trident is a level 50 leve hand in, it will take 17 (round up from 16.29) to get to level 52 where you unlock the next tier of leves. Then you move onto Cedar Fishing Rod until 54. Then Hallowed Chestnut Composite Bow to 58 and so on. Total needed is of course the total exp needed divided by exp you gain per turn in. I rounded up the total needed so you are going to have a bit of extra exp for the next tier, which you will probably end up needing slightly fewer items than what I have written down at the end.

You will notice that Goldsmith is blank from 54 and on, because the items required by the leves cannot be bought from NPC. Leatherworker is blank from 50-52 because at the time I created the spreadsheet my LW was already at 52, but at least one of them items needed by the 50 leves can be bought from NPC.

Weaver item for 58-60 is not feasible, so I had Chimerical Felt instead, which you will have to either make or buy off the MB. If you take the time to prepare the mats you can easily make them yourself at 58 and probably HQ at a decent rate, plus you will get a hefty amount of exp from making them. The calculation for total Chimerical Felt needed is based on HQ, so if NQ you need double the amount to get from 58-60.

If I remember correctly, there is an item required by the leves available from the NPC for 58-60 Weaver, but it's a triple turn in quest. The amount of gil it would have cost was too high for my taste, so I decided making the Chimerical Felt would be better.

Here is another screenshot with the level range, which I forgot to include. http://gyazo.com/a07c4f43b8ee679a70913b97e4fb57cf

[Santherelle]

Usefull Words

Thanks. I will give it a try. I am sitting a bunch of Gil I had set aside for big time craft leveling

And I'm guessing the crossed out one are your personal marker for having done it.