So Thursday's maintenance is supposed to bring crafting/gardening adjustments...

[Nadirah]

I hope you understand on your second attempt you poor peabrain...(am i doing this right?)

Care to explain why you resorted to insults when I said nothing of the like to you?

You know when "Wrath of the Lichking" hit in World of Warcraft Crafters really had a hard Time. Every Crafting Job needed something called "Frost-Silk" "Frost-Leather" and so on(not sure on the right name but it will do). Frost-Silk could drop from every Mob if you leveled Weaver. But the droprate was SO low (xiv level) that the supply was....nonexistent. So what did the Devs on Warcraft do? They added a small Job Quest for every Crafting Profession where you get a special skill that ramps up the dropchance over 30%.

No, they didn't, they did it because netherweave was so plentiful that you couldn't sell it on the AH for vendor value. The goal was to make it so that tailors were the ones that gained the majority of their own materials. Gathering classes do not obtain stuff to make cloth. Leather was not affected by this.

And I had maxed crafters of all disciplines there, including leatherworking and engineering, which are notorious for being a pain in the ass to level. And I wasn't exactly "rich" either. It really wasn't time consuming or hard.

This a hundred million times! People are so full of crap, "Only crafters make millions of gil".

The last few weeks the Silk have been around 3mil+, the last few days around 2mil+. You need a dragonskin map to get them, from who? Gatherers. Map were like 150k-300k for a while(lot less lately), the last week prices have dropped to less than 100k, last I checked today was like 70kish. But DoW/M are still selling the Silks for 2mil+...... and crafters are greedy.

You know where silk comes from? Treasure maps. You know where treasure maps come from? Oh right, gathering skills.

I don't have the gil to waste buying them, and wanting the set myself, I sure as hell ain't selling them if I ever did get them. Generally the group I do maps with, the person that used the map is the person that get the silk/hide.

You could of easily made millions leveling a retainer and having it farm materials. Since you only dungeon spam anyway, you should be full on seals as well.

Ironically enough, solid dungeon spam is where I made a million gold in WoW through Cata and Mists of Pandaria, without thinking about it. Vendor food and disenchanting drops, cloth drops.

Never sold a single thing I mined or picked with herbalism, never sold an iota of leather, and never sold a single crafted item.

Crafted gear has always been second rate to raid gear. It's been that way since day 1 so that no one felt they had to buy or make crafted gear to participate in content. As for the groups that used overmelded accessories and gear to clear Final Coil, that was merely a workaround for them to clear the content without having to spend a lot of time farming out gear. In the end the gear they used (the crafted, overmelded stuff) was still less than equal to the drops they got from the raid content.

And it's precisely the reason we were given as to why crafted gear sucks.

A final bit of food for thought for all of you complaining about crafters.... If we were all to decide tomorrow that we would only make things for ourselves and friends, what would you do then? Would you come on here to lament how the MB are empty or would you put forth the effort to make the stuff yourselves?

I'm not complaining about anything other than the sheer stupid amount of money you need to dump into the gear. I'm not complaining about the price of it itself. I have 0 problem with dumping a bunch of gil on a set of gear, but I *do*have a problem with having caps to reach that aren't reachable without spending millions on materia.

[Hypie]

No need for even insults because you can't figure out how the game and the real world works. Why do you think people get paid for working? Why not tell your boss, hey this is a simple task, i can do this for free. To the crafters, you are the peabrain. To yourself you are the boss of this game.

Srsly you all set a GAME on the same Level as Real Life? I won't reply to any of your Comments sorry thats Way too crazy. A Game is meant to be enjoyed not to be a second Job after i got Home from Work.

Care to explain why you resorted to insults when I said nothing of the like to you?

I'm sorry Nadirah of course it wasn't meant for you it was meant for this one:

This is entirely the point. People do charge for raid carries. I don't use that service and am fine doing the raids myself. I earn my rewards. You, on the other hand, seem to expect a free ride from crafters. What a loser.

And your Quote was my Second Attempt to explain it to the Birdbrain. But gosh give up. They don't want to change it to the better. As long they get their Gil they are happy and get unhappy if someone starts stealing a Portion of the Cake.

[Vandril]

Srsly you all set a GAME on the same Level as Real Life? I won't reply to any of your Comments sorry thats Way too crazy. A Game is meant to be enjoyed not to be a second Job after i got Home from Work.



I'm sorry Nadirah of course it wasn't meant for you it was meant for this one:



And your Quote was my Second Attempt to explain it to the Birdbrain. But gosh give up. They don't want to change it to the better. As long they get their Gil they are happy and get unhappy if someone starts stealing a Portion of the Cake.

Okay, so, let's say they made the materials requirement a bit lower for levels 50-60. Great!

Now, would you level the crafting classes now that it was made easier in order to make your desired items?

No, of course not. You'd watch the market for those items until the price plummeted enough to where you could happily buy the item. You don't want the material requirements lowered so that you could level the craft yourself, you want it so that you can buy the item you want more cheaply, so that you can retain the rest of your money for other things.

No matter how you twist it, what you're asking for is as selfish as you're claiming crafters are.

Until you admit that, you're even worse than these purportedly greedy crafters all over this thread. At least most of them admitted they just want to feel like they gained ample compensation for their time and effort spent leveling crafting to be able to create the items they sell. Meanwhile, you continue to imply that you're arguing for the folks who can't afford the items being sold and point your finger and all the blame at those "greedy crafters", all the while actually pining for cheaper prices for all only for the sake of your own pockets. You want it cheaper for yourself. It being cheaper for everyone else is just a nice side effect.

Stop being self-righteous. Stop being hypocritical. And then maybe - just maybe - you could get people to actually agree with you.
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You don't make that kind of gil without either buying it, playing the market, having immensely epic RNG with rare minions, having high end crafting skills or selling your house on a high pop server.

I did play the market, but I did not farm, craft, or buy from the market for resale.

I did exactly what was pointed out earlier in this thread (but after your quoted post):

try it with reselling
as an example: Buy crafting gear from the NPC at the moogle village for 9k gil, sell it on the MB for 30k gil

I didn't do this for the level 55 crafting gear, but the level 50 i115 equipment. I would buy them for a price, then put them up on the market for a markup.

It is far from the scam that some people claim it to be, as well. I have more faith in people than to believe that they'll do something as stupid as purchase the overpriced vendor gear placed on the market when they could just buy it from said vendor. I put this vendor gear up there because there are many people who still do not have Heavensward and are sitting at level 50. These people who cannot access the new vendors will surely desire the level 50 i115 gear, which creates a legitimate demand and market for these items, driving the prices higher than the vendor costs.

I spent 30 minutes every day restocking these vendor items, making gil by the millions. And it wasn't because I had my high level crafters or gatherers, or because I was lucky with RNG that I made my 50 mil this expansion so quickly. It was because I put just a little thought into the demand of the market.

For many servers, the time to be able to do this has passed. My own server's markets are starting to stabilize around vendor price for NQ equipment, so it won't be profitable much longer. But the entire point in me posting about this was to explain that there are opportunities for people who purely play DoW/M classes/jobs to make small fortunes. You just need to keep an open eye for these opportunities before they pass you by.

[Sky_Of_Smiles]

Who sells those silks again? Oh right, combat classes and gatherers.

=_=ll

If its really that important, I can acquire them for you at no cost.

[Chrolo]

Hypie your juvenile attempts at insulting just show that youre out of arguments here.

You can easily enjoy the game, by doing everything the game offers you. This includes crafting and gathering, but you choose not to because its easier to bitch and moan instead of putting in some effort.
There is no fucking way we can lock other people out from doing high level crafting. The game does not have a limit on how many crafters there can be.

Very few of us will get unhappy because someone else is also making gil of the same stuff we're are selling. It's a MMORPG and not a single player game, so we know other people will do the same stuff.
Most of us leveled those crafting jobs because we actually ENJOY crafting. Yes you heard it, WE ENJOY IT.
A good side effect is that we get to make money out of the classes once we hit level 60.

Also we crafters are not the guys that keep the prices high. It's the gatherers and DoW/DoM classes that farm stuff and sell expensive.
Allagan Silk was expensive the time it was still relevant, so Arachnee sets were of course a couple of 100ks, if DoW/DoM classes would just sell the silk for 1k ea then crafters would sold the sets cheaper too.
You can hate on us as much as you want, but most crafters only buy mats from the MB, refine it to something better and sell with a profit. (Which is higher right now because of less crafters, but once time passes, stuff gets cheaper because more crafter will supply more items while demand will either stay the same or even sink)

I'm not complaining about anything other than the sheer stupid amount of money you need to dump into the gear. I'm not complaining about the price of it itself. I have 0 problem with dumping a bunch of gil on a set of gear, but I *do*have a problem with having caps to reach that aren't reachable without spending millions on materia.

It was like this when they introduced 4star crafting back in 2.x, but as of now you dont have to meld materia at all to craft and we dont know how the crafting gear will advance with red scrips, so complaining about the melding right now is a bit too early.

[kazz101]

Srsly you all set a GAME on the same Level as Real Life? I won't reply to any of your Comments sorry thats Way too crazy. A Game is meant to be enjoyed not to be a second Job after i got Home from Work.

Then obviously this game is too hard for you to enjoy it since you don't understand how the game works. What better ways to complain the system is broken rather than trying to get your ass out there and earn some gil. And honestly i wonder who the bird brain is, when obviously you can't use a certain percentage of it to earn gil in this game which is one of the easiest aspect of the game. It's hilarious to watch you defend yourself and throwing insults at crafters.

[SarcasmMisser]

There are so many bitter, poor people in this thread. So many.

[Hypie]

Okay, so, let's say they made the materials requirement a bit lower for levels 50-60. Great!

Now, would you level the crafting classes now that it was made easier in order to make your desired items?

No, of course not. You'd watch the market for those items until the price plummeted enough to where you could happily buy the item. You don't want the material requirements lowered so that you could level the craft yourself, you want it so that you can buy the item you want more cheaply, so that you can retain the rest of your money for other things.

No matter how you twist it, what you're asking for is as selfish as you're claiming crafters are.

Until you admit that, you're even worse than these purportedly greedy crafters all over this thread. At least most of them admitted they just want to feel like they gained ample compensation for their time and effort spent leveling crafting to be able to create the items they sell. Meanwhile, you continue to imply that you're arguing for the folks who can't afford the items being sold and point your finger and all the blame at those "greedy crafters", all the while actually pining for cheaper prices for all only for the sake of your own pockets. You want it cheaper for yourself. It being cheaper for everyone else is just a nice side effect.

Stop being self-righteous. Stop being hypocritical. And then maybe - just maybe - you could get people to actually agree with you.

That's not entirely true. If would see real change...and i meant REAL Change not like...

Example Patchnotes:

-We raised the Dropquota for All Crafting Stuff for 6%

Then i would race Level Crafting. I enjoy a good reasonable Crafting System. You know i invested a whole Day for all that Crafting Stuff and yes i'm not unbiased because of my entire negative Experience with Crafters(and these Exp continously pills up every day) it's just...can you understand that players whos entire contact with crafters was a negatively experience can hardly agree that crafters are "good people"?

All that "good and bad" aside it doesn't changes the Fact that the System is not really viable for the Mass and its heavy punishing to Players interested in Crafting. And let's be honest Heavensward is a Addon that is tailored to get more broad Base to play XIV (i can't understand how they want to achieve that locking it behind arr story but thats another story). Such a outdated System no longer works.

I already pointed out Ways how Crafting could be opened up more on several Threads (all dead now) but all i got was "He is just too lazy" The Frustation, the Anger it bursted out here when the same discussion brewed up again. In i am really really REALLY fed up saying the same Stuff over and over again. It's like you talk to Wall...

Then obviously this game is too hard for you to enjoy it since you don't understand how the game works. What better ways to complain the system is broken rather than trying to get your ass out there and earn some gil. And honestly i wonder who the bird brain is, when obviously you can't use a certain percentage of it to earn gil in this game which is one of the easiest aspect of the game. It's hilarious to watch you defend yourself and throwing insults at crafters.

I do understand how the Game works. Do you enjoy killing Mobs over and over and over and over for getting Materials? I do not. And you do not. That's why you buy it from the MB. And this Spirals up the Price. Or you send your faithful poor Retainers out without Rest to get you Materials (attention black humor buff active).

There are so many bitter, poor people in this thread. So many.

Actually i sit on a Gil Mountain of 12 Million Gil....used the MB ONCE for buying the Axe for the Bravura Questchain. And no i don't RMT.It just piled up doing Quests, Fates and selling all that Crap that the Monsters drop to the NPC *shrugs*, yes i did know i could have made even more Gil but i won't support the current Crafting System.

Not because of the Crafters (i got whacked by Friends =_=") but because i don't want to feed such a outdated System.

[SarcasmMisser]

Do you think people are actually reading everything you post? At a glance they look like feverish rants no one wants to read and you'll probably be banned soon anyway for all the insults.

[KisaiTenshi]

You realize that the primary reason for items being sold by NPC vendors is so players can circumvent the MB if they don't agree with the prices. And the high-level roulette items (I'm going to guess that you're referring to coke, potash, peacock ore, etc.) are so cheap now because
1. The items made from these materials are typically outdated and not useful for anything outside of glamour and old FSH melds.

2. SE upped the drop rate on them to a degree (over several updates) that the supply far exceeded the demand.


A final bit of food for thought for all of you complaining about crafters.... If we were all to decide tomorrow that we would only make things for ourselves and friends, what would you do then? Would you come on here to lament how the MB are empty or would you put forth the effort to make the stuff yourselves?

Did you not read what I said?

- Gatherers get screwed by the NPC's selling the same materials
- Crafters get screwed when they craft things that there is no demand for

Nobody is going to craft junk items just to level their crafter and try to recover the cost on the MB. That's why everyone spammed the the Ixal dailies, buying materials only to make stuff that nobody is going to buy is bad.

Even in V1.0 had this problem. There were levequests (there still are) for crafting, but the cost of the materials is NEVER worth doing them.