So Thursday's maintenance is supposed to bring crafting/gardening adjustments...

[Gilthas]

Reliably obtaining hq mats requires high end gathering gear.

Lets not forget that they're just side-stepping the real issue.

We know the path they took with the 2.0 series of updates. Given how they implemented level 50-60 crafting/gathering compared to 1-50, it's very likely that even worse is to come. DoM and DoW don't have to spend millions on overmelds to be functional, yet DoH and DoL are. Again, this is solely there to drive prices up and drive players away from these activities to keep supply low.

[Chrolo]

Reliably obtaining hq mats requires high end gathering gear.

thats the same with crafting. If you want stuff reliably -> overmeld. If you have time to spend on gathering you will eventually gather enough HQ mats, even if you dont gather enough HQ mats, most of the gathered stuff needs you to craft it into other mats first, so use NQ gathered stuff to craft into HQ mats (sell the NQ ones while you try crafting HQ ones) for your real craft.
The gear required for this process is easily obtainable for everyone, but its time consuming since you have to gather more mats than someone else with overmelds.

[Nadirah]

It doesn't take weeks to level a crafting class...

Have to agree here, I got a fc mate with everything at 60 and he did the push after hitting 60 WHM when we really got into the airship building.

I'm working on getting everything to 15 ATM for cross class skills and managed three last night, plus 41 carpenter this week.

Just afraid of post 50.

[Psycofang]

@Psycofang: All i read is "MIMIMI this User wants to destroy "my" monopol i hate him!"

funny because all im seeing is WHA WHA WHA MIMIMIMIMI in every selfish idiot post of yours.

you KNOW that crafting is a struggle, you KNOW that getting to that point takes time, effort and luck.

you KNOW that it takes alot of money, farming and composition for us crafter to even make what they make in the first place.

you KNOW when we go farming for our mats we are fighting other crafters AND PVE players who are looking to make the same amount of money off said mats...right?

they are farming those skins as well to SELL at MB prices to those who can turn them into leathers, which to SELL or CRAFT into items to try and turn a profit or at least break even to what crafter, gathers AND PVE players are selling items for.

Everyones at fault not just us EVIL crafters, its greedy pve players as well so please hold your garbage. I'm not saying there aren't some greedy crafters out there, i break the mb prices to stop things like that but you need to look at your PVE players and know something;

if a thavnarian silk drops from a map a pve player bought for 100k you will damn well be sure they wont sell it for cheap, they will sell it for 2.6 million gil like everyone else.

guess what? it takes THREE to make a thavnarian bustier, this isnt counting the other rare mats required to make it.

now do the math how can a crafter turn a profit except to sell it for a bit higher than all the mats they possibly bought with their own money.

Considering how hard these mats are to make and btw doesn't matter if its aerchaoris leather or dusk leathers, you have to farm it and the drop rate is ABYSMAL for how many you need per leather, and you need 3 leathers per craft, couple that with say mythrite nuggets which require 5 sands and an ore which are also being sold for very high amounts, then cedar branches, or strength dis-solvents which require fishing and alchemist.



when it drops for other players they don't scale down the price, no they sell it AT MB price until someone else drops it slightly.



you don't even need to level any other craft it that jacket is all you want, burst ltw to 51 and make it.

then end.

all im seeing id you not doing the collective math behind the prices. cry more.

Wow, combative much? I was just stating that undercutters come in and change prices, usually in huge amounts.

my bad bro he just has me in the mood to bite someone, so its a hard temptation to ignore.

[Ronove]

Lets not forget that they're just side-stepping the real issue.

We know the path they took with the 2.0 series of updates. Given how they implemented level 50-60 crafting/gathering compared to 1-50, it's very likely that even worse is to come. DoM and DoW don't have to spend millions on overmelds to be functional, yet DoH and DoL are. Again, this is solely there to drive prices up and drive players away from these activities to keep supply low.

I think that's just their way of giving crafters/gatherers a grind akin to endgame raiding. Granted, players (well... most) can't really drop millions of gil to ensure they get a drop from their raid to help them better their class, they have to grind it out and for the most part, it keeps them playing. Kinda like maybe the grind with spiritbonding to get the materia to then meld and overmeld to better the gathering/crafting class.

I do agree with you though it is kinda frustrating but I think that's how SE intended it to be. If you could gather/craft everything you wanted with the least amount of work, what keeps you coming back? If it's super easy for you, then it is for everyone else and then prices plummet and then no one cares.

[Chrolo]

Sorry maybe i wasn't clear enough on the first Post. I had the Materials and over 30 Crafters still wanted to be paid 500-600K Gild just because they had the Receipt and could Craft that Stuff....thats pretty much being a asshole if you ask me. And sorry i misspelled the Word it's called "Monopoly".

Thats just a plain lie, or youre getting to the completely wrong crafters.

There is always at least 1 Crafter on PF whos offering his services on Moogle and the highest amount of money i saw them charging was 50k for NQ and 100k for HQ. I saw enough ppl who just charged like 20-30k for crafting.

[Psycofang]

Thats just a plain lie, or youre getting to the completely wrong crafters.

There is always at least 1 Crafter on PF whos offering his services on Moogle and the highest amount of money i saw them charging was 50k for NQ and 100k for HQ. I saw enough ppl who just charged like 20-30k for crafting.

sorry not wiht all this posting, this is just damage control at this point.

rarely will a crafter ask for even 2-300k for an item if a player brings them ALL the mats, if you do that its 10k ill charge you or 2k if im in a good mood or you are nice about it.

ive been playing this game since launch and and have never seen prices that ridiculous even when i wasn't a crafter myself.

[Gramul]

I just want to be able to still craft all my junk for myself.

[StouterTaru]

Reliably obtaining hq mats requires high end gathering gear.

Reliably means 12% instead of 9% on the hardest unspoiled nodes? Lower level stuff caps without melds at 15% for miner/botanist.

[Dejectedbunny]

And you think doing this 1-2 times will be enough to pay the Crafting Stuff? Man you are so naive it hurts....i would be "forced" (not really but i hope you get what i mean) to do this for 1-2 MONTH'S to pay for a single damn Gear on the MB.

So you're upset because you have to work for something? No where did I ever say that any of this would be fast or easy. All of your arguments and counterarguments echo of laziness, pure and simple. Also, please list one piece of gear that is mandatory and requires to be purchased from the MB.

Lemme correct you. YOU DON'T WANT TO...support. This is the Reality. You simply don't want that. You like "Power Position" you have. Thats completely normal for a Human. If i am King and someone wants to etablish Democracy i too would work towards to silence him.

Let me correct you. There is a huge difference between supporting someone and giving things away for free. You seem to expect the latter. I have my own reasons for why I've invested so much time into crafting, it's not about any BS preconceived notions you have about holding power. Also, the example you stated is flawed in so many ways, but the most obvious being that in a Monarchy, Democracy, or Dictatorship there is one ruling power. That power is not shared amongst many parties. In order for a crafter to be in the position you so badly want to paint us as being in, each server would have to be able to accommodate only for a few at most. Not like the system that is currently in place, where anyone can be a high-level crafter at any time regardless of how many others there currently are.

That's a plain Lie and we both know this. But whatever.

Once again, there is very little difficulty in farming, it just requires time and effort (Seems to be a recurring theme, doesn't it?). Barring that, you can always level up a retainer and have them do it for you. That only requires clicking on a button, so that may be more your style.

Sorry maybe i wasn't clear enough on the first Post. I had the Materials and over 30 Crafters still wanted to be paid 500-600K Gild just because they had the Receipt and could Craft that Stuff....thats pretty much being a asshole if you ask me.

If you treat the crafters on your server in the same way that you do on here, I can imagine why they would want such a fee. That aside, you're making a generalization about an entire group based upon a few interactions. Word it however you like, but in the end you're still saying that crafters are bad because they didn't want to make you a piece of glamour gear for the price you felt you should pay. Also, you still haven't answered as to what is preventing you from leveling the craft up and making it yourself.

And sorry i misspelled the Word it's called "Monopoly".

Oh a monopoly. You mean one of these:

"MONOPOLY
1: exclusive ownership through legal privilege, command of supply, or concerted action

2: exclusive possession or control

3: a commodity controlled by one party"
Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/monopoly

Notice the prevalent use of the word "exclusive" in those definitions? Nothing in FFXIV's crafting system is exclusive to any one player or group of players.

Yes Crafting is "not easy" and "easy" If i would RMT 20 Mills and go on Crafting it would be jackass easy. I copy the Macros from a Guide and be done with it. The Road to the Max Level is the Stuff thats not easy and it's costly. Or like you said i grind for Weeks doing Ixal Stuff. But until im there where i want to be other Players have already build up such a big Base that you have no Chance of getting a stable "income"

Again with the laziness. If you don't want to work for it, then you don't deserve it. This is not Final Fantasy XIV: Welfare Reborn. As for making a stable income, there are so many ways to do that without being max lvl or fully melded. You just have to look for them. I'll give you a hint as to one of them: there is often more money to be made in the components than there is in the final product. Especially lower level stuff that a higher-end crafter may not want to bother with making themselves.

AND THIS. Is the normal Situation for normal PvE Players that are interested in Crafting. And you need the Melds if you want a 100% Chance to Craft the Gear in HQ.

This is the Point thats the most broken Point in XIV Crafting. This B*llsh*t "Chance"-System. If i learned how to build a Chair and have Master degree in building chairs then i dont have the friggin "chance" to build a good chair, i build a good chair every.single.*beeeep*ing.time.

I dont need to buy equipment for millions for building a *Beeeep* chair. This is simplfied yes but still valid.

Nothing that can be crafted in this game requires millions of gil worth of overmelds to make NQ versions of. Yeah, you might need food or FC buffs to hit the minimum requirements for 3 / 4 star stuff. If you want to have a 100% chance of making a HQ item, you have to work for it (There's that word again).