Why do people hate Bards so much??

[Greven]

Oh and this is FFXIV, class and jobs have their official short version: WHM, BLM, MNK, DRK.. Better learn to use them to not create confusion.

PS. Sorry for double post my cell is refusing the full site and the mobile site doesn't let me edit the post.

[Nestama]

I've been keeping a close eye on my damage numbers and it's really disheartening that an ilvl 176 bard, even putting everything she has into her rotation, still comes out behind the WAR on the parse in a depressing 5th place in an 8-man fight.

Most likely because a WAR's Fell Cleave (500 damage potency, which I think is the highest damage potency behind Limit Breaks) is delightfully OP. Deliverance gives the WAR a 5% damage increase and 10% crit rate when Uncontrollable (throw in some Berserk and Internal Release for extra oomph). Imagine a WAR doing 10k damage Fell Cleave to Ravana EX two times in a row (Infuriate). I think even a MNK would drop behind for a bit.

[Lewtskie]

And I can cast heavy shot, cast heavy shot again, and get the straight shot proc in the middle of my second heavy shot animation, even if I use an oGCd to cancel the first heavy shot's animation. The second heavy shot is interchangable with straight shot since you need to keep it's buff up, and the proc can still occur during that, except it's not a free shot so that's TP wasted.

Exactly this, you have to risk using Heavy Shot again and doubling down on a potential Straighter Shot proc or interrupt your current cast the moment you see the proc from the first cast. Either case is a waste of time/TP and a nasty inconvenience to have to forcibly delay yourself.

[Nestama]

BLM's have to deal with that with Firestarter procs. It's not a huge deal .-.

[Eul]

I hate how they didn't sing foe requiem almost all battle (Even there's caster in the party). Only that. I don't care with their WM but please at least sing us a song other than speed up our movement :/

[loreleidiangelo]

I hate how they didn't sing foe requiem almost all battle (Even there's caster in the party). Only that. I don't care with their WM but please at least sing us a song other than speed up our movement :/

GOTTA GO FAST

[RiceisNice]

BLM's have to deal with that with Firestarter procs. It's not a huge deal .-.

When you run on a finite resource pool, it adds up in the long run. And also them oGCD resets

[ECHOxLegend]

I hate when they don't sing.
People claim they aren't "bards" anymore.
but totally forgot that they are support DPS and don't support.
And now even with WM givin' a booster in DPS, they don't wanna use that.
A lot of bards don't wanna do anything but whine.
-Gets flame suit, sword and shield ready-

My biggest and only disappointment about this game when I first started was that there was a class called Bard but it barley has anything to do with music! who got their archer in my king of nice sounding debuffs and DoTs! wheres the love for the ART!

[UBERHAXED]

And I can cast heavy shot, cast heavy shot again, and get the straight shot proc in the middle of my second heavy shot animation, even if I use an oGCd to cancel the first heavy shot's animation. The second heavy shot is interchangable with straight shot since you need to keep it's buff up, and the proc can still occur during that, except it's not a free shot so that's TP wasted.

What are you even talking about?
Heavy->heavy->straight
Heavy->straight->heavy
Has the same exact damage, tp cost, etc with no consequence what so ever because your order of skills don't matter. I'm talking about real gameplay effects here, not arbitrary skill order. Maybe know what you're talking about than trying to pass of what you encounter as a "new" issue that only affects your class. Not only do other classes have this issue, they are actually punished for it. Because they have skill orders that matter. Using firestarter after the fire 1 has a large gameplay difference than using it after blizzard III.

[Lewtskie]

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For so coldly telling someone they don't know what they're talking about, seems you're on the same boat. She was saying even if you use a second Heavy Shot then you can double down if the first one proc'd, or cast Straight Shot after the first Heavy Shot and Straighter procs that Straight Shot you cast won't even use the proc. Neither situation is optimal.

Do you actually have to make adjustments to your rotation that sacrifices something? From what I've been reading elsewhere Firestarter just blends in post UI.

In our case if we don't have an OGCD banked in anticipation for SS+ we are left with feWe could refresh our DoTs, but if they're not close to dropping off then it feels like a waste. Same goes for refreshing our SS buff. The two OGCDs we have while under WM are free to use, but also hole significant potency. It's a hassle in a half to work our way to Repel something, and in the even we are in a fight that required Silence we can't just blow our Blunt Arrow. We're left just having to bite the bullet and waste time and resource with little gain.