Strength Tanks and You.

[StrejdaTom]

All good tanks I know have all points in STR and 2 sets of accessories.
VIT and STR and they switch between them to adapt to situations.

Pugs really don't have high requirements but when you are raiding with your static, you are always trying to min max and in that situation even tank's DPS counts, especially when he can afford having less VIT.

[SpookyGhost]

Right.

Okay.

This is getting insane.

Let's say you have a high HP tank. Let's say he's wearing full VIT right side, all his points into VIT. That's a tremendous loss of DPS, no? That's damage taken off every single hit you do over the course of the fight, and as the tank you are always dealing damage.

So what does the healer gain from this, hypothetically? Some GCDs, a few of them.

Now what is the question we must ask ourselves?

It's this: Does the healer gain more DPS from those GCDs (not his entire DPS, bare in mind, just those extra GCDs) than the tank loses from wearing full VIT (again, not his entire DPS, but the amount lost from going STR -> VIT)?

Once you can answer that question, you have your answer on which is the superior build.

[Khemorex]

Right.
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it depends on the situation theres no superior build if the tank or the healer is undergeared it will end in a wipe thus its just better to go in VIT gear when ur lvling in df.

Instead of stressing out the healers ,when ur trying to maximize ur dps , u could u know actually play with people and make a bit less stressfull and stop seeing only ur own dps points

edit : im not talking about raids or statics

[SQBoard]

I think there isn't a right or wrong - I've healed STR DRKs who knew how to tank and did fine pulling more than 2 sets in Neverreap. I've also healed VIT DRKs who never used grit or darkside and almost die to a pack of 3 while never using cooldowns. I think the main thing is experience

It may not be right or wrong but there is a difference between dps mode and tank mode.

I was on my sch on a vault run with a war and he started with str and deliverance. I've healed war on that run before and i notice i had to pay more attention on this tank than others. After the first few trash pulls, something happened and i struggled to keep him up. After that, he went to tank mode (defiance and stuff) and then i found i could afford more attention to the rest of the team.

Same player, same character on the same run and i saw a very noticeable difference between tank mode and dps mode.

As far as i'm concerned, people can debate this till 4.0 but at least don't make it sound like there's no difference between them. This game has a strict trinity scheme, if people are not adhering to their specific roles, then be sure the rest of the team is affected.

It may not mean a wipe, but someone's job is harder because of it. Albeit tanks only interested in dps'ing or dps trying to be tanks and pulling or healers not healing as they should. Whatever the role, it affects the rest of the team.

Now i know the devs want players to have a choice in modes, that's why they put stance dancing as a thing now for everyone. That's why healers have cleric stance, tanks have equivalent to shield oath/sword oath and range dps have wm/gb. The devs want people to stance dance to make the job more interesting i guess. But there is a time and place for those stances just as a healer shouldn't be in cleric stance all the time, there's a place for tanks to dps (OT) or content they're obnoxiously overgeared for.

But if you're the only tank or mt and you're not in tank mode, know there is a difference. If there isn't, then there's no point in the two modes. If your teammates don't say anything, doesn't mean they don't notice. (Unless they're not very perceptive)





*(no, this forum alt is not my main)

[Kaedan]

How in the hell did this get to 8 pages? The answer is really simple:

Doing difficult content with Duty Finder or Party Finder? Use VIT accessories.

Doing difficult content with a static or people who you're sure know what they're doing? Use STR accessories.

[Khemorex]

This is actually the exact opposite for me. I VIT set for trash pulls so I can pull more mobs comfortably, then switch to STR for the bosses. STR Bismark, STR Ravana unless I'm solo tanking. The worst thing a tank can do is have only one gear set. Put the sets on your bar, know your group and fight, and be ready to switch to what best fits the situation.

u might want to listen to that guy , hes doing it right its on page 2

[RickXRolled]

Real endgamers use str tanks with cleric dps healers that put out extra dps and still heal enough for the tank to not die. It's called being good.

[Waliel]

This is a hangover from 2.0, when we tended to easily outgear even the most difficult content and could pull several groups, people demanded the tanks run in STR, now the mobs hit a lot harder, have a lot more HP and the mentality from 2.0 carried over.

Except that the average joe already over gears the ex dungeons by about 30 ilvls already and mobs don't really hit any harder, so... Double pulls in ex dungeons were possible with a couple of pieces of law gear and weapons and a competent healer.

The "the more HP the more to top it", it's true but you don't need to keep everyone topped off, did you ever play as an healer?

If you're not topping off, the extra vit in that case saves you one or two heals per pull to use on DPS spells.

Extra HP = less overheal = more bang for healer MP.

You may overheal for less, but does that actually translate into anything meaningful or even in mana savings? Does it matter if your healer has 3% more MP after a pull? In raids, the drop of tank DPS actually makes the fight go on longer, making you cast more healing spells.

[OPneedNerfs]

Must've missed the memo where the dev team said specifically they tuned fights so that parties without MTs with STR accessories wouldn't be able to meet DPS checks. Anyone kind enough to fill me in?

[GalkaBikini]

Why are people under the assumption that healers can DPS dungeons, but not raids?