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    Aeyis's Avatar
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    Elinchayilani N'jala
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    Zodiark
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Seeri View Post
    If you're going to throw out an attitude, at least make sure you're right.
    Okay. Next time I take the time to buy the items in question, write down their stats total; use the best rotations, and write down how much meth hit for; I'll be sure to do it right.
    As, clearly you've done the same, only properly. (we can see this from your excellent data)

    You dont even have any number on how much perception is needed, nor meth hits, nor well; any data really.
    And you call my claims fictional? xD
    For that matter you havent even posted a rotation for the OP to use.



    I did not mention instinctual for a reason. For a reason that anyone else that actually mines these on a regular basis does not:
    It's RNG. After several dozen uses it gave me towards the 0.8 end far more then towards the 1.5 end. As such it shouldnt be advised as a means to obtain minimum collectibility ratings. Because theres no telling if it will actually work.


    Fun fact: the best rotation for obtaining Dawnborne from Ephemerals requires using a Impulsive before any abilities. Yet interesting enough despite its 30% chance its entirely possible to hit 12 nodes without it procing on (first) hit. Because its an RNG based ability.



    So please do not advise using abilities that are 100% RNG on whether or not they work. No, if they do work it doesnt mean you are ''more skillfull at using your abilities'', only that RNGesus smiled upon you.


    Quote Originally Posted by Seeri View Post
    If you're going to throw out an attitude, at least make sure you're right.
    I thought it was hard to argue facts. Guess I underestimate people, huh.
    If you wish to do that tho, I do believe the general forums are more suited for arguing facts. In these sub forums we value information and helping people.
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    Last edited by Aeyis; 07-19-2015 at 03:09 AM.

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    Seeri Ni'ara
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    Cerberus
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    Okay. Next time I take the time to buy the items in question, write down their stats total; use the best rotations, and write down how much meth hit for; I'll be sure to do it right.
    As, clearly you've done the same, only properly. (we can see this from your excellent data)
    486 is 96 with meth on light kidney.

    clear rubble manually (1/6 gathering attempts used, 0/30 wear, 0 GP used)
    meth = 96 (2/6 gathering attempts used, 10/30 wear, 0 GP used)
    de + meth = 144 (3/6 gathering attempts used, 20/30 wear, 200 GP used)
    uc + de + instinctual = max of 216 (4/6 gathering attempts used, 30/30 wear, 500 GP used)
    Gives two collection attempts. Lower chance of successfully reaching 450+ than Impulsive use.

    clear rubble manually (1/6 gathering attempts used, 0/30 wear, 0 GP used)
    Imp that procs = 129 (2/6 gathering attempts used, 10/30 wear, 0 GP used)
    uc + meth (with free DE) = 144 (3/6 gathering attempts used, 15/30 wear, 100 GP used)
    uc + meth = 96 (4/6 gathering attempts used, 20/30 wear, 200 GP used)
    de + meth = 144 (5/6 gathering attempts used, 30/30 wear, 400 GP used)
    Gives one collection attempt. Higher chance of getting 450+ than instinctual

    In case first Imp does not proc it would look like this:
    clear rubble manually (1/6 gathering attempts used, 0/30 wear, 0 GP used)
    Imp = 86 (2/6 gathering attempts used, 10/30 wear, 0 GP used)
    uc + imp that procs = 129 (3/6 gathering attempts used, 15/30 wear, 100 GP used)
    uc + meth (with free de) = 144 (4/6 gathering attempts used, 20/30 wear, 200 GP used)
    de + meth = 144 (5/6 gathering attempts used, 30/30 wear, 400 GP used)
    Gives one collection attempt. Higher chance of getting 450+ than instinctual, about 50/50 actually.

    Potential of 450+ in both cases.
    But please, feel free to keep sharing facts about how it's impossible. You also can't expect a certainty of getting 450 if you're doing it in trashbags for gear, how entitled are you? really?
    The actual reason you didn't include it is either because it makes you wrong, which you are by the way, or because you didn't actually think of it. "Impossible" means impossible, it doesn't mean "less than a 100% chance". Yes, you can fail 12 times in a row, you can also get the proc 12 times in a row, it is not an argument. Telling people it can't be done is not helpful in any way, it's totally doable and you only need to luck out three times to get your first upgrade which makes subsequent upgrades easier.

    Edit:
    But seriously, whatever you need to tell yourself to feel good man.
    I'm out.
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    Last edited by Seeri; 07-19-2015 at 03:22 PM.