Quote Originally Posted by Kietsu View Post
I gather from your join date that you're probably a bit new to the game.
This is how all of the 'hardcore' raids have worked on release.

Edit: If you're taking 'randoms' with you you're not likely to clear at all.
Well not quite, the penalty is actually fairly new...If my memory serves it was introduced in FCOB. Previously once you completed or skipped a turn in BCOB/SCOB you could not go back to clear or help others period, you were fully locked out of that floor until the next week. This made it so you generally could not help others period as you could risk getting locked out of a floor or clear it before your static and end up not being able to run that floor with them. I like this system as it allows me to help people learn/clear content where I otherwise would have been able to do nothing but give emotional support and some nuggets of info here and there, but I also think the penalty should have been enacted from 2 members who have cleared onwards. The current system was set up so that people couldn't sell the runs while the content was still relevant, but as it stands now a group generally doesn't want someone who has already cleared for that content as you have to suffer a 50% reduction in loot for bringing them along.

When my raid groups would do content, whether learning or farming we would not want someone that had already cleared for the week, period. If we were learning a turn we didn't want to risk actually clearing it with them and losing the loot, if we had it on farm we weren't about to take a penalty for no reason. In the end one person can make a great teacher, but you can't carry 7 others yourself so the penalty does more harm than good in that sense. I would prefer that bringing one person who cleared would incur no penalty outside of maybe preventing that player from rolling on gear, while from 2 members onward the current penalties would be appropriate. This would promote having a little helping hand from someone that cleared to help a group learn without stiffly penalizing the group for their presence.