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  1. #31
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    Lycinder's Avatar
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    Muriel Murconic
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignAegis View Post
    Then to me it isn't worth the sheer grief of WM.
    I would say 4200 more damage a minute to be pretty sizable and some people are hitting +100 on their dps which is 6000 more damage in a minute, anyway I remember back in final coil with my static our bard pretty much stuck to one set area and only moved for mechanics, I think that kind of thing is where you WM and then you pop it off for mechanics to continue dps until your 15 second recast is up.
    Bard + MCH should still be one of the classes with the most dps uptime its just a bit more complicated now.
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  2. #32
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    Axel Darkhero
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    The other things to consider about minuet:

    - TP efficiency is generally lot better in WM, with only having to use one 60 TP skill to reapply both DOTs, rather than the 150 TP to reapply both individually.
    - AOE / Multi Dotting a number of targets is a lot stronger and more TP efficient in WM.
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    Maybe next time you'll actually read the post before posting irrelevant nonsense.
    And with arrogant attitude like this, you are not welcome in this topic.
    Hahaha wow it was frustrating reading your conversation.
    Kaedan94's attitude thinking he/she is dping everything right, and then he/she isn't following the conversation at all, commenting on things that doesnt even have anything to do with the conversation.

    I know people like that, they turn everything they read or hear to what they want to read or hear. its veeery annoying and frustrating
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  4. #34
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    Kaedan Burkhardt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiara1 View Post
    Hahaha wow it was frustrating reading your conversation.
    Yeah, it's extremely frustrating. My first post was in response to his OP, and after all this time he has yet to even acknowledge that his argument has been defeated. Instead, he keeps going on about "I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about this", when I quite clearly and directly refocused the conversation back to my main point, which was refuting his OP, which he still never responded to in favor of trolling and bringing up irrelevant crap based on something someone else said.

    Yes, very frustrating. I know nosy people that butt into other's conversations without any context or knowledge of what's actually being talked about too. They selectively read whatever they want to... veeeery annoying and frustrating.
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  5. #35
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    Kytheren Kenni
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    Yeah, it's extremely frustrating. My first post was in response to his OP, and after all this time he has yet to even acknowledge that his argument has been defeated. Instead, he keeps going on about "I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about this", when I quite clearly and directly refocused the conversation back to my main point, which was refuting his OP, which he still never responded to in favor of trolling and bringing up irrelevant crap based on something someone else said.

    Yes, very frustrating. I know nosy people that butt into other's conversations without any context or knowledge of what's actually being talked about too. They selectively read whatever they want to... veeeery annoying and frustrating.
    Why does he have to acknowledge it, though? From what I read, he learned that barrage was still used with WM but brought up a new issue he had with it, blocking crits. Do you want him to say he was wrong? Why?

    And people aren't being nosy, they're just wondering why we can't be a bit more friendly about all this.
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  6. #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by Issac View Post
    ...they're just wondering why we can't be a bit more friendly about all this.
    To be honest, the OP came off as quite arrogant, which is probably why I adopted a similar tone and corrected him.

    As for why he should acknowledge it? Because his OP has been corrected, so there's no point for the thread to exist anymore... especially since there's a hundred other threads on the same topic.
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  7. #37
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    I just have a quick question for any career bards here: is minuet worth it at 52 before I get the abilities that require it or should I wait to unlock it once I'm a high enough level to get them? On topic I'm a mch main so having to deal with cast times wont really bother me too much, and the change to barrage is nice.
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  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    And with arrogant attitude like this, you are not welcome in this topic.
    Pot. Kettle. Black.
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  9. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignAegis View Post
    Then to me it isn't worth the sheer grief of WM.
    It also lets you go twice as long before running of TP.
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  10. #40
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarynth View Post
    I just have a quick question for any career bards here: is minuet worth it at 52 before I get the abilities that require it or should I wait to unlock it once I'm a high enough level to get them? On topic I'm a mch main so having to deal with cast times wont really bother me too much, and the change to barrage is nice.
    When I was levelling BRD up and learned WM, I honestly didn't have it up much at all. It was at level 54 when I kept it on. Empyrean Arrow is pretty damn sexy, especially when you use it with Barrage.
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