Who do you think will get the Black mage job? CON or THM

[Chrees]

I can't really add too much to the conversation that hasn't already been said, but I did notice something interesting. The French name for Conjurers is "Élémentaliste," or "Elementalist," which seems to lean heavily towards a Black Mage-type magic user. Yet in the German version, they're called a "Druide," or "Druid," which is more of a priest-like role.

Just something to think about!

[Plague]

I can't really add too much to the conversation that hasn't already been said, but I did notice something interesting. The French name for Conjurers is "Élémentaliste," or "Elementalist," which seems to lean heavily towards a Black Mage-type magic user. Yet in the German version, they're called a "Druide," or "Druid," which is more of a priest-like role.

Just something to think about!

And going on this, a Thaumaturge in original Greek writing is a "Miracle worker, a healer, wonder worker". Most Christian saints of this time were referred to as Thaumaturges.

So technically you can say that Thaum should me a healer, but this is FF not RL lol.

[Chrees]

And going on this, a Thaumaturge in original Greek writing is a "Miracle worker, a healer, wonder worker". Most Christian saints of this time were referred to as Thaumaturges.

So technically you can say that Thaum should me a healer, but this is FF not RL lol.

Heh, exactly. But on the flipside, the French name for thaumaturge is "Occultiste," or "Occultist," which is often associated with the dark arts--although technically it deals with all sorts of spiritual or unexplainable phenomenons, so I suppose it could go both ways.

[Mortikhan]

I think Con will have branches for both WHM and BLM...Thaum will have a branch for the RDM and WHM roles.

Sorta like this:

BLM WHM RDM
\ / \ /
CON THM

Would probably be more like this for now till they include more classes:

BLM
/ \
CON-RDM-THM
\ /
WHM

Really the only differemce will be a more focused version of the mage roles where you would only have access to only certain aspects of the class. More than likely the roles will also have boosted effects for their specialty as well.

Example:

BLM: increased elemental damage and access to elemental spells except for Banish and Scourge. They would also gain the boosting abilities to make their spells stronger like Dark Seal which would have increased effects.

WHM: would receive the curing and buffing spells that would have a greater effect in their hand and Banish and Scourge but would not gain access to damage boosting abilities for their spells.

RDM: All of the debuffs and grade 1 DD spells.

This is all just a guess but makes sense to me.

PS move the slash marks over in your mind....they won't move over for me.

[Tsukino]

Heh, exactly. But on the flipside, the French name for thaumaturge is "Occultiste," or "Occultist," which is often associated with the dark arts--although technically it deals with all sorts of spiritual or unexplainable phenomenons, so I suppose it could go both ways.

Oh yeah, I forget sometimes but the Japanese name for THM is 呪術士. It means something like "sorcerer" but the first character that's used means a curse. Basically like old-fashioned witchcraft.

All the classes in Japanese are based off what they use or wield, to go along with the armory system. Gladiators wield swords so they are called 剣術士 - swordsmen. For the mages, they are considered not to wield weapons but magic, so conjurers are 幻術士 (illusionists) and thaumaturges are 呪術士 (sorcerers/cursemakers).

The English names are somewhat more eclectic; some are named for what they do (lancer, conjurer) but others are named for their guilds (thaumaturge, gladiator). Add to that all the ways they're named in the other localizations and I imagine it's a pretty big headache beyond just the game lore of what the guilds do.

[NoctisUmbra]

Well BLM gear and the fact that he metioned blm and whm as the only mage jobs plus the fact that at the start each class will get only one job plus the fact CON got all the whm spells in 1.18 are all pointing to THM being BLM. (or at the very least CON being WHM) I do not see how THM is BRD but we don't no. none of us has any clue. But there are signs.

However there are zero signs to CON getting 2 jobs at the start or THM being BRD. that does not fit. THM has very few buffs. In fact CON has more. Again we are both just guessing it could be CON getting BLM i don't no thats why i made the thread to ask what the people think.

People seem to thin CON gets BLM and WHm. I hope thats true for all the people who ranked CON. I know lots of people wanted to nuke not heal on that job lol.

I believe CON will get WHM due to the CON only spells that were just put in. And since they definitely said 1 job per class to start and the definitely said BLM is confirmed that leaves BLM for THM. Makes absolutely no sense, but that's what I think is going to happen. I'm sure they are going to completely redesign who gets what spells.

You guys are taking a very skewed approach. Essentially you are making the facts fit what you expect, rather than taking the facts and using them to form a picture.

What we know:

1. When jobs are released, each class will have access to 1 job (7 jobs total)
2. Job names that have been finalized and decided upon are Paladin, Monk, Dragon Knight, Bard, White Mage, Black Mage (6 jobs)
3. Classes will gain access to more jobs in the future, unlocked via quests at specific ranks

What most people did right away is combine the 1st and 2nd fact, presuming that the finalized jobs were to be the first jobs released. There is NO evidence pointing to this connection - in fact they have 6 finalized jobs and 7 classes to give jobs to.

If the finalized job names were not revealed, everyone would logically expect CON to get both WHM and BLM. Not necessarily at the same time, but it makes the most sense. However, since they released 6 jobs names, and 2 were mages, everyone decided to fit the 2 mage jobs with the 2 mage classes. One hole in that is that Bard is also technically a mage job, but that doesn't even matter. The post did NOT say that the finalized jobs were in fact the ones to be released first.

[Chrees]

You guys are taking a very skewed approach. Essentially you are making the facts fit what you expect, rather than taking the facts and using them to form a picture.

What we know:

1. When jobs are released, each class will have access to 1 job (7 jobs total)
2. Job names that have been finalized and decided upon are Paladin, Monk, Dragon Knight, Bard, White Mage, Black Mage (6 jobs)
3. Classes will gain access to more jobs in the future, unlocked via quests at specific ranks

What most people did right away is combine the 1st and 2nd fact, presuming that the finalized jobs were to be the first jobs released. There is NO evidence pointing to this connection - in fact they have 6 finalized jobs and 7 classes to give jobs to.

If the finalized job names were not revealed, everyone would logically expect CON to get both WHM and BLM. Not necessarily at the same time, but it makes the most sense. However, since they released 6 jobs names, and 2 were mages, everyone decided to fit the 2 mage jobs with the 2 mage classes. One hole in that is that Bard is also technically a mage job, but that doesn't even matter. The post did NOT say that the finalized jobs were in fact the ones to be released first.

Thank you! This is exactly what I've been thinking all afternoon.

[AmyRae]

The post did NOT say that the finalized jobs were in fact the ones to be released first.

You also have to understand their announced plans are not "biblical" as though it were a prophecy from the mouth of god. They were obviously still considering various approaches at the time, but it's not as though they're trying to give you a riddle to solve (get it wrong and the Sphinx eats you ).

Look, they're working on what would be considered "artifact armor": armor styled in with that "classic Final Fantasy job" feel. The six jobs they said they'd go with are probably the ones that are the most prepared in terms of all the trappings that go with it, including these armor designs. The plan may be to have 1 job for each class to begin with (so no one feels left out), but it doesn't necessarily mean a rigid 1:1 proportion must be enforced.

I think having WHM and BLM branches off Conjurer make perfect sense. They don't have to hold one job back because the "king can't go back on his word" or some-such nonsense. If they're ready to go with it, they can launch both right away. Don't be so sure it's an impossibility.

What I am sure about is that Conjurers would appreciate the option right away so as not to be pigeon-holed into a role they have no intention of playing (whether it's white mage or black mage).

[DNO]

You guys are taking a very skewed approach. Essentially you are making the facts fit what you expect, rather than taking the facts and using them to form a picture.

What we know:

1. When jobs are released, each class will have access to 1 job (7 jobs total)
2. Job names that have been finalized and decided upon are Paladin, Monk, Dragon Knight, Bard, White Mage, Black Mage (6 jobs)
3. Classes will gain access to more jobs in the future, unlocked via quests at specific ranks

What most people did right away is combine the 1st and 2nd fact, presuming that the finalized jobs were to be the first jobs released. There is NO evidence pointing to this connection - in fact they have 6 finalized jobs and 7 classes to give jobs to.

If the finalized job names were not revealed, everyone would logically expect CON to get both WHM and BLM. Not necessarily at the same time, but it makes the most sense. However, since they released 6 jobs names, and 2 were mages, everyone decided to fit the 2 mage jobs with the 2 mage classes. One hole in that is that Bard is also technically a mage job, but that doesn't even matter. The post did NOT say that the finalized jobs were in fact the ones to be released first.

right you are correct but you are no more Right then i am or he is. Why? because as you said there is no more info.

The info we have is WHm and BLM are coming.

Theres 1 job per class.

thats it. Why would SE make a job thats not for any class in the game first? that seems like poor choices. You make jobs for classes that are already in the game. So everyone playing CURRENLTY can use the new content.

Again you are no more correct then anyone here. this is a thread asking people to guess, we are not giving facts about anything we do not know. I may think im more right then others but that means nothing. this thread is a guess thread. So guess on the jobs please.

[NoctisUmbra]

We have people in the thread stating that BLM is in there read up. It was a quote from bay.

The quote from Bayohne states that BLM and WHM are finalized job names. It does not say, or even suggest, that they are both in the initial batch. Read again please.

EDIT: nvm it's not even a Bayohne quote I derped there lol. It's an INTERVIEW where they casually made a remark on finalized job names. Only official info we got from reps is GLA gets PLD and each class gets 1 job. Nothing suggests both BLM and WHM are in the initial batch.

right you are correct but you are no more Right then i am or he is. Why? because as you said there is no more info.

The info we have is WHm and BLM are coming.

Theres 1 job per class.

thats it. Why would SE make a job thats not for any class in the game first? that seems like poor choices. You make jobs for classes that are already in the game. So everyone playing CURRENLTY can use the new content.

Why would SE make a job that's not for any class currently in the game?
Who said they even made BLM yet? They said they finalized BLM as a job name and decided it will be one of the jobs. For a staple like BLM making that decision is obvious - especially since they had the gear concept art ready well before jobs were even mentioned.

Knowing that they will definitely use BLM as a job does not mean they will put it in the first wave. Thus, if they decide not to, they will probably be working on WHM heavily along with the other 6 jobs they will release in the first wave, and leave the details of BLM until after that. You see how finalizing a job name =/= finalizing development of said job?

I am not claiming to be more right than anyone else. I am debunking the idea that there is any sort of evidence that even suggests that WHM and BLM will be shared between CON and THM. I am not taking that extra step of assumption that people seem to be doing.

I typed out my guesses on my first post in this thread, and sure anyone is free to guess that THM will get BLM. A guess is a guess is a guess. When someone claims to have evidence for that guess though, I cannot resist to debunk it.