Who do you think will get the Black mage job? CON or THM

[Tsukino]

I think a lot of people who played FFXI forget that RDM is not traditionally about enfeebling at all, and they're also not purely a mage. THM does not have "RDM's spells," and it doesn't wield a sword besides. I think RDM is one of those jobs that will need to come when they have worked out how to require at least two classes to unlock, because in all games red mages are jacks of all trades that use black magic, white magic, and swords.

They only specialize in enfeebling magic in FFXI specifically because jacks of all trades aren't welcome in a game based entirely on set roles within a party of people. They also actually had no staff skill and were intended to use swords, players just found it inefficient and SE didn't do enough to try and fix it. Not saying that we should ignore XI completely, but please remember that the jobs of the Final Fantasy series have a lot more history than what players forced people to do with them in one.

[NoctisUmbra]

Even if the original plan was for one job to each class, this is the only arrangement that makes sense and is worth bending the "rules" for.

That's just the thing. The original plan never was one job per class. The whole idea behind jobs is specializing into a role for the party you are in. Naturally it makes sense to have multiple roles you can specialize into - and they already said as much.

They only stated that in the initial rollout of jobs they will unlock 1 job per class - no doubt for fairness/balance as well as to get jobs out ASAP.

They also mentioned a bunch of jobs they finalized the names for and decided on having.

The thing is both aren't one and the same. Just because you know you will have a job in the game, doesn't necessarily mean you will have it as one in the initial release. That is what I think is happening with BLM.

It's quite obvious BLM is going to be in this game. It just has to be. However they both clearly stem from CON - and having that not be the case would just make matters confusing and nonsensical. Being that Jobs are being released primarily to give defined party roles, the initial rollout must have a healer - the WHM. Thus, I believe initially there won't be a BLM Job, and they will release it later in the 2nd wave of Jobs.

[DNO]

Well a lot of people are guessing BLM is not in it. all the facts point towards WHm and BLM coming in the first round. I mean then have gear being made over 3-4 months ago. I really think it will be added first.

Anyway keep the suggestions coming! No one knows and we could all be wrong!

[Estellios]

I'm also in the "CON will get both BLM and WHM eventually" camp. It's the easiest way to go about the whole Lore and Spell distribution issue. I've said a bunch of times that taking nukes away from CON or making either CON or THM straight-up healers kills their solo-ability and makes bringing out a WHM job pretty pointless. I have a feeling that the class uniqueness they are going to get is going to be more in line with a revamp of their class abilities or some kind of new mechanic for both of them.

Edit: @Tsukino

I also do hope we get jack-of-all-trades RDMs in this game that require CON + GLA to unlock, but I don't know how it would work or be at all useful since the point of jobs is to specialize.

[NoctisUmbra]

Well a lot of people are guessing BLM is not in it. all the facts point towards WHm and BLM coming in the first round. I mean then have gear being made over 3-4 months ago. I really think it will be added first.

Anyway keep the suggestions coming! No one knows and we could all be wrong!

Actually there isn't anything pointing to BLM being in the initial round.

The gear designs are already in game and were .dat mined - the same gear is used by WHM as well, just recolored. Besides, the BLM gear concept art was posted before the job system was even made. This is another reason why I'm sure they knew right away that BLM, as well as WHM, were definitely going to be Jobs - thus their names were finalized and decided.

Besides, it honestly makes much more sense that CON get WHM and later BLM, while THM gets BRD.

[DNO]

Actually there isn't anything pointing to BLM being in the initial round.

The gear designs are already in game and were .dat mined - the same gear is used by WHM as well, just recolored. Besides, the BLM gear concept art was posted before the job system was even made. This is another reason why I'm sure they knew right away that BLM, as well as WHM, were definitely going to be Jobs - thus their names were finalized and decided.

Besides, it honestly makes much more sense that CON get WHM and later BLM, while THM gets BRD.

Well BLM gear and the fact that he metioned blm and whm as the only mage jobs plus the fact that at the start each class will get only one job plus the fact CON got all the whm spells in 1.18 are all pointing to THM being BLM. (or at the very least CON being WHM) I do not see how THM is BRD but we don't no. none of us has any clue. But there are signs.

However there are zero signs to CON getting 2 jobs at the start or THM being BRD. that does not fit. THM has very few buffs. In fact CON has more. Again we are both just guessing it could be CON getting BLM i don't no thats why i made the thread to ask what the people think.

People seem to thin CON gets BLM and WHm. I hope thats true for all the people who ranked CON. I know lots of people wanted to nuke not heal on that job lol.

[Plague]

When did they say only one job per class?

Imo I think conj will be both blm and whm, just makes sense with the lore, you can probably choose.

Thm might become time mage or maybe rdm or both or who knows /shrug.

[Chrees]

I can't really add too much to the conversation that hasn't already been said, but I did notice something interesting. The French name for Conjurers is "Élémentaliste," or "Elementalist," which seems to lean heavily towards a Black Mage-type magic user. Yet in the German version, they're called a "Druide," or "Druid," which is more of a priest-like role.

Just something to think about!

[Plague]

I can't really add too much to the conversation that hasn't already been said, but I did notice something interesting. The French name for Conjurers is "Élémentaliste," or "Elementalist," which seems to lean heavily towards a Black Mage-type magic user. Yet in the German version, they're called a "Druide," or "Druid," which is more of a priest-like role.

Just something to think about!

And going on this, a Thaumaturge in original Greek writing is a "Miracle worker, a healer, wonder worker". Most Christian saints of this time were referred to as Thaumaturges.

So technically you can say that Thaum should me a healer, but this is FF not RL lol.

[Felis]

I think CON = WHM (they are something like priests in the lore, the link between the people in Gridania and the Elementars) and THM = BLM (there business is very dark)
I don't think they switch all element skills from CON to THM, because they are a part of the CON in the lore. But maybe you can put on CON element skills with THM BLM if you learned them as CON.

Red Mage would be a future planed cross class job (play 2 classes to a specific level to unlock the job)