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    How much The Wanderer's Minuet truly adds to damage?

    It says +30% damage which sounds nice, but it turns
    Auto-attacks off
    Barrage off (because there are no auto-attacks so there's nothing to triple)
    Constant 'cast' interruptions when you are moving out of AOE
    Which all slowly add up to lost damage.
    Not to mention playing another generic rooted caster is not fun.
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    Daranion Thronir
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    Well first of all the recast is untouched and the cast time is 1.2 seconds so that leaves 1.2 seconds of time for oGCDs. Also, Barrage doesn't affect auto attacks anymore, it makes your next weapon skill hit 3 times so you can do a triple crit for 6k. So yes, WM truely does add to damage, not a full 30%, but more along the lines of 17% which is a number I heard on the forums with no source to it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daranion View Post
    Also, Barrage doesn't affect auto attacks anymore, it makes your next weapon skill hit 3 times so you can do a triple crit for 6k.
    It says 'Multiplies the number of non-critical strikes for a single-target weaponskill by 3. '
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    It says 'Multiplies the number of non-critical strikes for a single-target weaponskill by 3. '
    And? Read the complete sentence and then notice this part: "...for a single-target weaponskill..."

    Weaponskill
    Weaponskill

    Auto-attack =/= weaponskill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan94 View Post
    And? Read the complete sentence and then notice this part: "...for a single-target weaponskill..."

    Weaponskill
    Weaponskill

    Auto-attack =/= weaponskill
    Read again please the bold parts in my message and in the quote.
    Read again.
    Read.
    Read.
    Again.
    They said triple crits. I said non-critical. So Barrage can't do triple crits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    Read again please the bold parts in my message and in the quote.
    Read again.
    Read.
    Read.
    Again.
    They said triple crits. I said non-critical. So Barrage can't do triple crits.
    Oh, I see. You are embarrassed that you said something that was incorrect and now you've taken to trolling. Can't say I'm surprised.

    As I said in my first post, move along people, nothing to see here.


    EDIT: On the off chance you aren't trolling, I'll reiterate for you:

    You said, "Auto-attacks off
    Barrage off (because there are no auto-attacks so there's nothing to triple)"

    Barrage was changed to affect weaponskills, not auto-attacks.
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    Last edited by Kaedan94; 07-17-2015 at 03:06 PM.

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    Leyna Crosse
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    It says 'Multiplies the number of non-critical strikes for a single-target weaponskill by 3. '
    You can use Empyreal Arrow which Ive found often hits for 1k+dmg. With Barrage, Empyreal Arrow hits for 1000+ three times so at minimum 3k dmg.

    Now that aside, I dont know how much WM actually helps out as I dont parse, but Empyreal arrow + Barrage is decent.
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    Lyote Sharaia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespar View Post
    You can use Empyreal Arrow which Ive found often hits for 1k+dmg. With Barrage, Empyreal Arrow hits for 1000+ three times so at minimum 3k dmg.

    Now that aside, I dont know how much WM actually helps out as I dont parse, but Empyreal arrow + Barrage is decent.
    Yup. In Alex my Empys are hitting on average for 1500 before RS. I have gotten a 6k *hit* with Barrage Empy with a well timed BfB right before RS falls off.
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    Atriese Lolo
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    It says 'Multiplies the number of non-critical strikes for a single-target weaponskill by 3. '

    Exactly... WEAPON SKILL... lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daranion View Post
    Well first of all the recast is untouched and the cast time is 1.2 seconds so that leaves 1.2 seconds of time for oGCDs. Also, Barrage doesn't affect auto attacks anymore, it makes your next weapon skill hit 3 times so you can do a triple crit for 6k. So yes, WM truely does add to damage, not a full 30%, but more along the lines of 17% which is a number I heard on the forums with no source to it
    No you cannot do what I have bolded, it blocks crits. It is three non-critical hits.
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    Last edited by Snugglebutt; 07-17-2015 at 03:38 PM.

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