Bard - they broke my job

[Greywolfamakir]

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It's not my logic...it's SE logic...
Like I said, SE said something like "BRD and MCH are not gonna do the same DPS than pure DPS jobs, because they can support the party ".
I don't agree with SE, because when TP or MP regen isn't needed and I'm playing like BRD or MCH I feel really frustrated checking my parser, It's just like:
I'm doing a perfect rotation, boss mechanics isn't fucking my DPS, fine I'm gonna check parser...OMG...I'm the last one...ok, I'm not supporting, I'm doing a perfect rotation, however I'm doing the worst Damage of my party...
and when I play like NIN is just like
Well, I'm doing almost perfect rotation, fine lets check parser...OMG I'm top/second nice nice nice, I feel useful
I feel really frustrated when I'm playing like MCH or BRD (a bit more like MCH since his rotation is a bit harder than BRD) because doing everything perfect You don't feel good if You are using parser.

[Rikkustrife]

They didn't break brd. They just stopped it being for lazy people. Bard in 2.xx was honestly the most boring class i ever played. I almost fell asleep in raids.

I don't get this.
With wanderer's minuet on, it plays like a slower paced bard that you don't have to worry about facing bosses to get auto attacks, and requires slower reaction time than non minuet bard

[yamochan]

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good we are kinda on the same page with that after all and since we are you should be able to understand as well why we bards and i think mechs too are complaining that much. its not rly crying if you are in the right cause us bards dont see ourself as supporters and those who do see themselfs as such complain as well for they dont get enough support
and the only way to make that clear to SE is simply to keep complaing or to leave the game and i kinda dont wanna leave again just now.

ofc you can say just reroll ad be done with it
but every class should feel needed in an mmorpg thats always been the case and it always will be because why should a class even exist in the first place if its only usefull in certain situations

so its more dps or more support for us or the complaints wont stop.
for dps its even a easy change just give us back autoatk even if WM is on and done we the dps we need.

[Greywolfamakir]

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I totally agree with You, but I don't think SE is gonna give BRD and MCH more DPS to be honest, I don't like it, but I like to be realistic, this is the reason for take a second Job, If I have to play only like BRD or MCH right now, I leave this game, for real, I dont like to be a burden for my team.

When 3.05 patch notes come out, If I read nothing about BRD or MCH interesting, I'm gonna to think if continue with this game or not, because I would like to play like BRD or MCH but I feel pretty bad and frustrated every time I play them...I pay for enjoy, If Im not enjoying, I dont pay.

[Hontaro]

Now they want us to gain DPS but be locked in place as a trade off. Again, sounds fair enough. Except we're still not pulling the numbers of, say, an equally geared/skilled BLM. And if these forums are to be believed, that shoudl never be the case because BRD can turn off WM and become mobile again. So apparently even the option of mobility means we should still be weaker? It's a poorly thought out mess as it stands.

I'm going to withhold my own opinion on this one, but I can actually understand their thoughts on this. You have a sense of security, you know that if there's something coming up, you can turn it off, do slightly less damage, but at least you can get out safely.
Having the option of mobility is similar to having the option of singing MP/TP. As party member, if you have a Bard in your team, you feel safer because you know if you fuck up somehow, you still got the Bard. This directly affects how well you play (may vary in endgame statics, which is not the majority of though.). Point is, you play better because you have a Bard in your party, even if he doesn't do anything.

[Greywolfamakir]

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Non BRD/MCH players maybe feel better with a MCH or a BRD in party, but that is not the point, the current point is:
How do BRD/MCH players feel when they are playing BRD/MCH and They are not giving support because is not needed?
In my case, I love how MCH works, for real, but every time that I check the parser and I see that I'm doing the worst DPS of my party, doing a really good rotation, using every CD rightly, I'm not bringing TP/MP regen and I can't help with hard movement mechanics because I have to cast shit currently...I get frustrated and depressed...then I take NIN, I don't do a perfect rotation yet, however I can be Top/Second DPS and bring support to my party with Trick Attack every minute...
That is really frustrating, especially if You are enjoying the job, but I feel like a burden for my party if I play like MCH or BRD right now, and You can trust me, I play MCH and BRD pretty pretty well, for sure.

[yamochan]

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on that point its not only the missing dps thats makes me go enrage every time its also the fact that BRD just does not work correctly right now while i can play with the new standing mechanics by now its dosent feel very smooth. while a BLM can chain his skills the BRD has to wait until his animation finishes so he can hammer in a new skill. same thing with the crossover buffs sometimes it works pretty good but then agin i have to wait util my character finishes his stupid dance animation from internal release. that has never been the case at least for me before and its worse for the skills.
one more thing the debuff we give ourselfs from the songs is now rly unnessecary since all classes bring so much support already. oh i shall write some questions for the letter that are on my mind right now -.-

[Warlyx]

Non BRD/MCH players maybe feel better with a MCH or a BRD in party, but that is not the point, the current point is:
How do BRD/MCH players feel when they are playing BRD/MCH and They are not giving support because is not needed?
In my case, I love how MCH works, for real, but every time that I check the parser and I see that I'm doing the worst DPS of my party, doing a really good rotation, using every CD rightly, I'm not bringing TP/MP regen and I can't help with hard movement mechanics because I have to cast shit currently...I get frustrated and depressed...then I take NIN, I don't do a perfect rotation yet, however I can be Top/Second DPS and bring support to my party with Trick Attack every minute...
That is really frustrating, especially if You are enjoying the job, but I feel like a burden for my party if I play like MCH or BRD right now, and You can trust me, I play MCH and BRD pretty pretty well, for sure.

i feel the same way, in 2.0 i was able to be middle of the pack in some encounters , i did low dmg but caster were forced to move and melees to disconect while i was able to keep dpsing....so in some bosses i was 2nd or 3rd , while providing foe , and mp/tp regen when needed .

fast forward 3.0 , im not able to feel like im contributing when healers dont need mp , melees dont need tp , and foe is casted because im brd and always start the pull with foe (1 mage or 1 healer does some dps) , after that meh....i feel like im slowing down my party with my poor dps , and sometimes think , if i was another dps... this party would have been way better....but my FC wants me to play BRD (is the job i enjoy(ed)?)....i like to play archers and feel usefull so brd is good , but when your support isnt need and your dps is low , u dont feel usefull and more like a burden

[NayaAlsa]

Absolutely hate it, if I wanted to play BLM I would have just played the real thing. Even if you enjoy this new minuet garbage, BRD is still lower dps than MCH right now and needs help badly both in number adjustment and quality of life fixes. Let me put it this way; If I didn't have a serious raiding static I would have quit, that's how much I dislike this poorly thought out nonsense.

[aabe]

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I don't understand the 2nd part of your post when you combine it with how you follow up.
In my EXP with WM I'm even further over most people I play with than I was before xpac, especially in real(ish because everything thus far is pretty easy) content
I understand the people who complain about the clunkiness, but adding less opportunity to double weave ogcds adds a little more to the job. You have to know when it's actually an increase to push back your casts in favor of double weaving, and in a situation of single-weaving gcds you have to know what's tip-top priority over just hitting whatever's not on cooldown, which was the case with BRD before everywhere besides holding BFB to line up with barrage.
You can't hit procs anymore on reaction but the loss from missing a proc for a GCD, was minor AND very unlikely to begin with because you need 2 SS procs in a row (effectively 2% chance of this happening) for it to be a loss at all.