Bard - they broke my job

[Tonberrian]

I always felt like BRD did less damage because of mobility and uptime, not because of the support songs - which have a built in nerf that I don't agree with, but that's a whole other can of worms. Point being, gaining mobility and losing a small amount of DPS always felt fair to me before.

Now they want us to gain DPS but be locked in place as a trade off. Again, sounds fair enough. Except we're still not pulling the numbers of, say, an equally geared/skilled BLM. And if these forums are to be believed, that shoudl never be the case because BRD can turn off WM and become mobile again. So apparently even the option of mobility means we should still be weaker? It's a poorly thought out mess as it stands.

That said, I'm at least glad they buffed WM so I don't feel like I'm dragging my team down by playing my favorite job.

[PopeHat]

That said, I'm at least glad they buffed WM so I don't feel like I'm dragging my team down by playing my favorite job.

You may want to use this time to explore other jobs, you may realize BRD is no longer your favorite class.

[Valoris]

You may want to use this time to explore other jobs, you may realize BRD is no longer your favorite class.

Ya, but today I never logged in because I am too pissed off. Last time I was like this I quit playing EQ2 a month later. Before that it was WOW, a month before the new expansion.

[Hontaro]

Now they want us to gain DPS but be locked in place as a trade off. Again, sounds fair enough. Except we're still not pulling the numbers of, say, an equally geared/skilled BLM. And if these forums are to be believed, that shoudl never be the case because BRD can turn off WM and become mobile again. So apparently even the option of mobility means we should still be weaker? It's a poorly thought out mess as it stands.

I'm going to withhold my own opinion on this one, but I can actually understand their thoughts on this. You have a sense of security, you know that if there's something coming up, you can turn it off, do slightly less damage, but at least you can get out safely.
Having the option of mobility is similar to having the option of singing MP/TP. As party member, if you have a Bard in your team, you feel safer because you know if you fuck up somehow, you still got the Bard. This directly affects how well you play (may vary in endgame statics, which is not the majority of though.). Point is, you play better because you have a Bard in your party, even if he doesn't do anything.

[Greywolfamakir]

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Non BRD/MCH players maybe feel better with a MCH or a BRD in party, but that is not the point, the current point is:
How do BRD/MCH players feel when they are playing BRD/MCH and They are not giving support because is not needed?
In my case, I love how MCH works, for real, but every time that I check the parser and I see that I'm doing the worst DPS of my party, doing a really good rotation, using every CD rightly, I'm not bringing TP/MP regen and I can't help with hard movement mechanics because I have to cast shit currently...I get frustrated and depressed...then I take NIN, I don't do a perfect rotation yet, however I can be Top/Second DPS and bring support to my party with Trick Attack every minute...
That is really frustrating, especially if You are enjoying the job, but I feel like a burden for my party if I play like MCH or BRD right now, and You can trust me, I play MCH and BRD pretty pretty well, for sure.

[yamochan]

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on that point its not only the missing dps thats makes me go enrage every time its also the fact that BRD just does not work correctly right now while i can play with the new standing mechanics by now its dosent feel very smooth. while a BLM can chain his skills the BRD has to wait until his animation finishes so he can hammer in a new skill. same thing with the crossover buffs sometimes it works pretty good but then agin i have to wait util my character finishes his stupid dance animation from internal release. that has never been the case at least for me before and its worse for the skills.
one more thing the debuff we give ourselfs from the songs is now rly unnessecary since all classes bring so much support already. oh i shall write some questions for the letter that are on my mind right now -.-

[Warlyx]

Non BRD/MCH players maybe feel better with a MCH or a BRD in party, but that is not the point, the current point is:
How do BRD/MCH players feel when they are playing BRD/MCH and They are not giving support because is not needed?
In my case, I love how MCH works, for real, but every time that I check the parser and I see that I'm doing the worst DPS of my party, doing a really good rotation, using every CD rightly, I'm not bringing TP/MP regen and I can't help with hard movement mechanics because I have to cast shit currently...I get frustrated and depressed...then I take NIN, I don't do a perfect rotation yet, however I can be Top/Second DPS and bring support to my party with Trick Attack every minute...
That is really frustrating, especially if You are enjoying the job, but I feel like a burden for my party if I play like MCH or BRD right now, and You can trust me, I play MCH and BRD pretty pretty well, for sure.

i feel the same way, in 2.0 i was able to be middle of the pack in some encounters , i did low dmg but caster were forced to move and melees to disconect while i was able to keep dpsing....so in some bosses i was 2nd or 3rd , while providing foe , and mp/tp regen when needed .

fast forward 3.0 , im not able to feel like im contributing when healers dont need mp , melees dont need tp , and foe is casted because im brd and always start the pull with foe (1 mage or 1 healer does some dps) , after that meh....i feel like im slowing down my party with my poor dps , and sometimes think , if i was another dps... this party would have been way better....but my FC wants me to play BRD (is the job i enjoy(ed)?)....i like to play archers and feel usefull so brd is good , but when your support isnt need and your dps is low , u dont feel usefull and more like a burden