being new and @ level 50 is killing my interest

[416to305]

I still don't get this, the only people who have an issue with how this is done are the ones that haven't finished the story in ARR. It's an EXPANSION for the 100th time, it's like a sequel to a movie. It's like watching 3/4 of Jurassic Park years after it came out, and then having The Lost World be released and skipping the rest of Jurassic Park and just watching The Lost World expecting it to make sense and be enjoyable. The whole purpose of an expansion is to add more content for the players that have done tons and need more to do. If you aren't even done the MSQs on ARR then sorry but you can't be so bored that you need to play the expansion immediately. It says pretty clearly on the box that it requires ARR and is not a standalone game, so it's not SE's fault that someone buys an add-on without researching it at all first.

Regarding the cut scenes, yeah it's nice to let people watch, but lets face it you have 8 people in a dungeon. Literally every time I run CM people are left out because others rush in. What are you supposed to do if 6 people don't mind waiting, but then one of the tanks rush in and start the fight? All stay locked out for him to wipe to teach him a lesson? Hardly. To the people that can sit there and watch them though good for you! I wish I could but I just feel waaaaaay too bad knowing there's 7 people all looking at "Viewing Cutscenes" beside my name and probably hating me lol.

[Colt47]

First of all..why do I need to do level 50 content instead of moving right on to Heavensward content? Why am I collecting tea leaves and other mundane crap for random NPCs after I've saved the world?

Anyways, I just got to the part where I have to fight Good King Moggle Mog (finally something interesting?) but it requires a full raid. Awesome. So I sat in queue for 20 minutes and finally got a party, but they voted to abandon the trial after TWO wipes. WHY? Clearly these people queued because they needed it, so why would they give up AFTER FIVE MINUTES? Especially when we get a stacking buff?? Is this normal for this games community? Now I'm sitting in queue again.

I wouldn't have spent $40 on Heavensward if I knew I'd probably never get to see any of it. :\

The issue with queuing for that stuff is the majority are using it as part of the trial roulette, so they are looking to jump in and strait up kill it. That's why the roulette system is kind of a bonkers idea with certain kinds of content, unfortunately. Content has a shelf life: Best to move on and let the players choose if they want to do said content instead of enforcing it.

[416to305]

You also had an anomaly with Moogle Mog tbh. I've done that one maybe 20-30 times, sometimes on purpose, others through roulette and I've never had vote abandon. The only ones I've ever had vote abandon on (EVERY time in the 10 or so times I've tried) has been Titan Ex, since the party wipes so much your gear is useless. If the party can't do Moogle Mog HM then it's probably for the best that it was abandoned so you can join with a real party.

[Niwashi]

I still don't get this, the only people who have an issue with how this is done are the ones that haven't finished the story in ARR. It's an EXPANSION for the 100th time, it's like a sequel to a movie. It's like watching 3/4 of Jurassic Park years after it came out, and then having The Lost World be released and skipping the rest of Jurassic Park and just watching The Lost World expecting it to make sense and be enjoyable. The whole purpose of an expansion is to add more content for the players that have done tons and need more to do. If you aren't even done the MSQs on ARR then sorry but you can't be so bored that you need to play the expansion immediately. It says pretty clearly on the box that it requires ARR and is not a standalone game, so it's not SE's fault that someone buys an add-on without researching it at all first.

I agree with this argument when it comes to SE's decision to lock Ishgard, the MSQ continuation, the new dungeons, etc. That type of new content belongs locked behind having completed the ARR MSQ.

I do, however, think they should have allowed the new HW jobs to be unlocked at around level 30 or 40 while still in the ARR regions. (40 if they wanted to require the MSQ up through The Heretic among Us as an unlock condition.) That would allow players who want to main one of the new jobs to be playing as that job while they go through the remainder of the 2.0 and 2.x MSQ. It would give them more time to learn the job properly and an earlier chance to start on those features of the expansion while they're still excited about getting the expansion. And, perhaps most significantly to SE, would give players more reason to purchase the expansion even if they haven't finished ARR yet.

(Of course, the job quests would require different stories if they'd started in a different area and without the assumption of coming after all the events of 2.x, but SE writes those stories to fit what and where they want the jobs to be. If they'd made different decisions about where to place the jobs, then they would have written stories to match those decisions.)

[416to305]

Yeah I agree regarding the new jobs. I think the problem with them though is how would they work that into the story, that suddenly there's 3 new job with a guild and so on, so probably just easier this way. I think the problem with the way they did it now is that it lets players like DPS for example that have never healed or tanked before, suddenly start right at 30 able to do dungeons etc.

[Tuathaa]

I still don't get this, the only people who have an issue with how this is done are the ones that haven't finished the story in ARR.

It's like watching 3/4 of Jurassic Park years after it came out, and then having The Lost World be released and skipping the rest of Jurassic Park

The whole purpose of an expansion is to add more content for the players that have done tons and need more to do.

It says pretty clearly on the box that it requires ARR and is not a standalone game, so it's not SE's fault that someone buys an add-on without researching it at all first.

What are you supposed to do if 6 people don't mind waiting, but then one of the tanks rush in and start the fight? All stay locked out for him to wipe to teach him a lesson?

Wrong not every one who has a problem with this hasn't completed ARR

Horrible movie analogy. You are not required in any way to watch the first movie but can still watch the entirety of the other movies.


Half true on the expansion comment it is also to attract new players. Your problem is you seem to thing that its only for current players.


Yes it does say you need ARR but no where does it state you have to complete ARR before you can play the new jobs or got to HW. Exactly how much research does one need to do before they can play a game? If you read the box, reviews and got to the HW website no where does it say you have to complete ARR's msq in its entirety. No one is going to come to a forum and read through a bunch of posts or dev blogs for stipulations which should be made known on the main HW site.


As for people rushing in. That is exactly what you are supposed to do. Again he qued for df knowingly and was warned there were new players before the first pull. He wants the rewards he needs to be respectful of the new players or eat the de buff.

[416to305]

Anyway last post on this because it's a stupid argument. It's an expansion, meant to add content to a game. If you're so new you haven't completed the main game, then you have no need to use the expansion it's pretty simple. It's your own fault for buying an expansion to a game without checking first the requirements or even finishing the first game. Like honestly, it's been said a hundred times what you get in the expansion, it's a continuation of the ARR story, who just rushes out to buy something without checking first? I knew it was needed because I used something called Google long before it came out and searched for "requirements to play Heavensward" and it immediately came up, as I just assumed there'd be requirements for it as I hadn't completed ARR yet. Maybe I'm the odd one out but I just automatically assumed that an expansion was exactly that, an expansion just like the patches. You can't do the Before the Fall quests if you haven't done Through the Malestrom for example, so it was pretty obvious to me that Heavensward would have some kind of requirement to it. People need to just stop bitching and just play, it doesn't take that long to do the MSQs and get to Heavensward if you only focus on that and not do side quests yet saving them until later.

The analogy was just a quick one, don't be a moron. I'm off to enjoy my HW expansion, since you know, I did all the requirements. Enjoy your level 50 quests!

[Tuathaa]

Anyway last post on this because it's a stupid argument.

The analogy was just a quick one, don't be a moron. I'm off to enjoy my HW expansion, since you know, I did all the requirements. Enjoy your level 50 quests!

Good because you don't have a valid point to justify your position. A person should not have to go to a secondary source to find out the requirements especially if you google that term SE's site is the first to come up and it doesn't say that. I know, I know, thinking the developer should be truth full about requirements is just plain crazy. Gamefaq is a much better site and way more correct than SE could ever be.

I am not the one that came up with a half baked analogy and by the way this is my 2nd level 60 character and I have finished the HW msq on both. Well I have to 2 more quests to do on this one.

I could care a less what is locked behind what however I do believe there is a bit to much filler in the 2.0-2.55 msq. What I do care about is knuckleheads that seem to think that some how everyone knows HW is locked behind the entire ARR quest line and that making new players skip cut scenes is acceptable. My only to standpoints in this thread.