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  1. #21
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    Phoenicia's Avatar
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    Naomi Enami
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Why are people taking this as "either.. or"?

    No one is advocating having so much STR at the cost of enough survivability. People talk as if the "enough to survive tank buster" is literally "tank buster + 1hp". Which is ridiculous.

    You can have enough HP to survive tank busters and still have enough STR to do decent DPS. As a 14.5k HP DRK (2 slaying accessories which is a middle I'm comfortable with when playing with healers I don't know), I can solo soak blinding blade popping a CD with some extra 3k~7k HP based on RNG (lolparry). Now I'm not saying solo soak Blinding Blade because you can. I'm saying there is no content currently that forces you to have more than 14k HP.

    Fluff damage doesn't warrant gearing for vitality to give your healer a break where they cast a heal all of 1 GCD earlier. Also STR speccing makes self heals (Clemency, Equilibrium, IB, SE... etc) becomes more valuable. Not having that 1.4k HP isn't what's gonna break your healer from prioritizing you over the DPS because of 1 random mistake happening. Now if you AND the DPS make mistakes at the same time, that's a whole different story.
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  2. #22
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    Pinkie_Pie's Avatar
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    Brynhilda Skyforge
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    Malboro
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by OPneedNerfs View Post

    DPS, DPS, DPS, DPS, DPS, DPS, DPS, DPS, DPS, DPS
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    When you see someones glamour with non matching boots

  3. #23
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    Kori Fleming
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    Cerberus
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    Marauder Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by OPneedNerfs View Post
    I wish this image never existed because people take it literally. It's meant to be "wow tanks that don't use their CDs and just focus on DPS are bad!", which is true. But people believe it means "tanks that focus on DPS at all are bad!" which isn't the case. You are hitting the boss, therefore a part of your role is to DPS.
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  4. #24
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    Kiteless's Avatar
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    Bluethroat Cantus
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    Mateus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 89
    Yeah, it definitely leads to an attitude amoung players that tanks should never attempt to output good numbers, which is just silly. As a tank, damage output shouldn't be your top priority, but it should definitely be a priority.
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  5. #25
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    Viktor Ashenkroft
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyGhost View Post
    I wish this image never existed because people take it literally. It's meant to be "wow tanks that don't use their CDs and just focus on DPS are bad!", which is true. But people believe it means "tanks that focus on DPS at all are bad!" which isn't the case. You are hitting the boss, therefore a part of your role is to DPS.
    I think, personally, that its completely ok to work on your dps amid being a tank... however the general rule is "Im going to do all strength right because Im a tank and need to dps, avoidance stats are terrible, and if you cant heal me through it you're bad" when it comes to most pug tanks encountered.

    I think theres always a way to do all of the above with teamwork, just a matter of that too all too often goes by the wayside for "Rawr numbers" etc
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  6. #26
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    Brynhilda Skyforge
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viralblack View Post
    I think, personally, that its completely ok to work on your dps amid being a tank... however the general rule is "Im going to do all strength right because Im a tank and need to dps, avoidance stats are terrible, and if you cant heal me through it you're bad" when it comes to most pug tanks encountered.

    I think theres always a way to do all of the above with teamwork, just a matter of that too all too often goes by the wayside for "Rawr numbers" etc
    I've always surprised healers with being DRK, I don't take that much damage when I manage my cooldowns. Many go "Wow, a DRK thats not all in strength" is becoming common now.

    THEN AGAIN I LOVE TO DPS WITH FULL STRENGTH MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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    When you see someones glamour with non matching boots

  7. #27
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    Malakaz Vosoma
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    Dark Knight Lv 84
    Quote Originally Posted by OPneedNerfs View Post
    I like how this comic is spreading around it started on reddit. XD

    The whole reason I hate this wearing str accessory meta is because its breeding bad habits in duty finder. Watching tanks die to the hand when soaking damage, either being in dps stance or not having enough hp or getting wrecked by the adds in alex 1. While Noting their extremely low hp and then blaming the healers. I keep wondering what is going on? Why is this happening? Now I just want square to kill this meta and bury it into the ground its ruining DF.
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    Last edited by shinros; 07-16-2015 at 11:28 AM.

  8. #28
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    Rawker Stone
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Did it really start on reddit? We all know that everything starts on 4chan.
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  9. #29
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    Malakaz Vosoma
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 84
    Quote Originally Posted by rawker View Post
    Did it really start on reddit? We all know that everything starts on 4chan.
    True that it does seem like a 4chan comic and I do have to admit it pretty much screams their humor. Which I do enjoy at times.
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  10. #30
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    Blackiron Tarkus
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    Leviathan
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    Marauder Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaS View Post
    Dark Knight in all slaying accessories... but doesn't know how to manage cool downs properly please no...
    Fixed it for ya.

    Nothing wrong with having all str as long as you are above 13.5k hp which I feel is the minimum to take on A4 without putting too much stress on healers. While I am also guilty of doing this I do have an alternate gear set with only vit gear if I feel the healers are having troubles. I always runs str to test them and myself.

    Less hp = less room for error = better tanking skills/awarness = better player.
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