We should have a "Lance mage", "Ninja Sword mage", "Fist mage"

[Aiselia]

MNK or DRG ... BLMs

Except your argument is that they'd be MORE likely to eat the AOE with instant casts which allow them to move and maintain DPS while avoiding the attack than with cast times that force them to stop attacking until they stop.

Would those BLMs eat all those AOEs if Fire 1 was instant cast?

time your oGCD

We're not talking about timing OGCDs, though. We're talking about pace, remember?

If I can only squeeze in one OGCD when I could previously fit in 2, then it's slower paced.

Also you never answered my question.

I didn't answer it because it doesn't have an answer.

Could be 1 in a minute, could be 0, could be 20. For example, when I was doing my trial roulette yesterday and got Moogles, I threw my dots on everything I could, and was getting procs almost every GCD, sometimes multiple times. I was able to use most of them because I wasn't locked in a cast bar when they procced.

[Wintersandman]

Except your argument is that they'd be MORE likely to eat the AOE with instant casts which allow them to move and maintain DPS while avoiding the attack than with cast times that force them to stop attacking until they stop.

Would those BLMs eat all those AOEs if Fire 1 was instant cast?

I bet you a lot less would and they would run around like Jack Rabbits too.

We're not talking about timing OGCDs, though. We're talking about pace, remember?

If I can only squeeze in one OGCD when I could previously fit in 2, then it's slower paced.

Uh that doesn't make sense. You speed up every 60 seconds as I stated earlier. the rest of the time you're just sitting there waiting for a BL proc or BL/Emp Arrow to come off CD.

I didn't answer it because it doesn't have an answer.

Could be 1 in a minute, could be 0, could be 20. For example, when I was doing my trial roulette yesterday and got Moogles, I threw my dots on everything I could, and was getting procs almost every GCD, sometimes multiple times. I was able to use most of them because I wasn't locked in a cast bar when they procced.

Demonstrate for me in a 60 second encounter how the new cast bar inhibits this on a single target.

[Aiselia]

I bet you a lot less would and they would run around like Jack Rabbits too.

In which case, why do you assume Bards would eat more AOEs if their attacks were instant?

You speed up every 60 seconds as I stated earlier.

If you ignore procs and several OGCDs that you'd weave in to eke out more damage on your inherently hindered class, yeah.

Also, why are you trying to tell me what happens on the class I mained? I know how often I need(ed) to push buttons. Jumping between scaled down high level roulettes/trials vs the 50+ content really makes a sharp contrast for me, regardless of how much you might think you can tell me how my class plays.

You're like a guy sitting outside someone's window on the first floor looking into their house and trying to tell the person who lives there how they've decorated the second floor because you think that sitting on the outside gives you a better insight into the house than them.

[Hyrist]

Optional Cooldown used to boost DPS. Don't like it don't use it. Simple as that.

[Wintersandman]

In which case, why do you assume Bards would eat more AOEs if their attacks were instant?

Per your recommendation they would lose a stacking buff if they moved.

If you ignore procs and several OGCDs that you'd weave in to eke out more damage on your inherently hindered class, yeah.

It's not like you can't weave them in. It's all a priority system correct? Has that changed?

Also, why are you trying to tell me what happens on the class I mained? I know how often I need(ed) to push buttons. Jumping between scaled down high level roulettes/trials vs the 50+ content really makes a sharp contrast for me, regardless of how much you might think you can tell me how my class plays.

You're like a guy sitting outside someone's window on the first floor looking into their house and trying to tell the person who lives there how they've decorated the second floor because you think that sitting on the outside gives you a better insight into the house than them.

I played Bard and know how it plays. Just because your a glass is half empty kind of guy, doesn't mean the changes need to be thrown out.

Also you're analogy of the house is horrible and is irrelevant.

[Leonus]

Yu gaiz r funeh.

[Aiselia]

would lose a stacking buff

When in WM, your weaponskills apply a non-stacking buff

Sorry, according to whose recommendation?

It's not like you can't weave them in.

If I can use BL and Blunt Arrow in the same GCD, that's 2.5 seconds earlier they'll be ready.

If BL procs before my next cast time is up, then I have to put off Blunt Arrow for another 2.5 seconds.

I played Bard

Just because you play something at one point doesn't mean you were good at it and know all about it.

You also haven't played it to 60, as you have already stated, so you don't even have any way to compare except your own assumptions.

I have all classes at 50, but you don't see me going into DRG threads or BLM threads and telling them to shut up about what they don't like about their changes.

And the analogy of the house is accurate and relevant. You're on the outside looking in.

[Wintersandman]

Sorry, according to whose recommendation?

I can say I misread your initial comment. Still isn't that what WM is but with a 1.5 second cast timer?

If I can use BL and Blunt Arrow in the same GCD, that's 2.5 seconds earlier they'll be ready.

If BL procs before my next cast time is up, then I have to put off Blunt Arrow for another 2.5 seconds.

Which is a good thing. I don't see the fuss in this for a 50 potency attack.

Just because you play something at one point doesn't mean you were good at it and know all about it.

You also haven't played it to 60, as you have already stated, so you don't even have any way to compare except your own assumptions.

I have all classes at 50, but you don't see me going into DRG threads or BLM threads and telling them to shut up about what they don't like about their changes.

You could have main'd something and never been good at it. Also I never told you to shut up. I said to quit crying a river or complaining and being resistant to change. You know change is good.

And the analogy of the house is accurate and relevant. You're on the outside looking in.

Decorating vs playing a class don't even correlate.

[Aiselia]

isn't that what WM is

Which was my point, if you recall all the way back, that you can limit mobility without introducing a cast time which ruins the flow and play style that the class had for 2 years and 52 levels.

don't see the fuss

Which suggests that you're not that interested in optimizing your damage. And that's fine, but with a class that has an inherent 10% less weapon damage, you have to weave in everything you can.

quit crying a river

I'm not, though. I've voiced my complaints and given constructive suggestions.

If non-Bards didn't jump at the chance to defend changes that don't affect them at all, these threads would be a quarter as big.

change is good.

Some is.

Decorating vs playing a class

But it wouldn't really be an analogy if I had said "You're like a guy who's looking at Bards as a non-Bard and telling a Bard how they play a Bard."

[Wintersandman]

Which suggests that you're not that interested in optimizing your damage. And that's fine, but with a class that has an inherent 10% less weapon damage, you have to weave in everything you can.

But WM provides a 10-12% increase in dps to compensate as people have provided parses to prove otherwise. So you gain a 10-12% increase in dps to delay a 50 potency attack.

But it wouldn't really be an analogy if I had said "You're like a guy who's looking at Bards as a non-Bard and telling a Bard how they play a Bard."

You could have picked something better. Looking at how some chops wood, mows their lawn, etc. Playing a class is task related vs artistic related (decorating).

The reason non-bards jump in is because your complaint isn't logical. Which is obvious since you are more concerned of a 50 potency attack vs a 10-12% increase in dps.