Law Healer gear needs Accuracy.

[Gallus]

Extra DPS is 99% of the times good. If you can bring in DPS while keeping your party alive, then you are better than the healer who doesn't. Whether fights are designed with the DPS of 4 DPS in mind is completely irrelevant, I'm sure fights aren't designed around people dying either, yet in many tries you have people under weakness because someone has failed for instance a mechanic, the group with the healer who pushes DPS might make the cut there and still make it so that the boss doesn't enrage even in a run that was nowhere near perfect, the healer who doesn't DPS might see the boss enraging and their party wiping.

This isn't about if healers need to DPS or not, this is about taking a job and bringing the most out of it. This is exactly the same as when I went to T2 as tank with the 3 healer method. I would always go with Sword Oath and bring as much damage as I could, because the boss would pulse in AOE and do the same dmg to everyone in the party. Whenever I went with a healer in that turn, the tank would be under shield oath/defiance in ADS, honestly, it made me cry every time. "But you shouldn't need tank DPS in the first place because then there's something wrong with the DPS...", could use the same argument there. Thing is, you are bringing 15, when you could be bringing 20.

[Leiloni]

"But you shouldn't need tank DPS in the first place because then there's something wrong with the DPS...", could use the same argument there. Thing is, you are bringing 15, when you could be bringing 20.

Well you can't actually use that argument cause they do take tank dps into account when designing the encounters. That's actually in the quote. Did you read the full quote?

But the point is in no way does any healer ever need to dps in any circumstance. Yes clearly if you can do it it helps, that's pretty obvious and nobody ever debated that. People are trying to force the idea that it's necessary, or healers are bad if they don't, and that is simply not true. Trying to make other healers feel bad because you want to play at a top level is not the best way to encourage people. Even Yoshi stated the following:

Certainly for people who are at world's first level, their goal is to clear it at as low an item level as possible, lower than the one assumed during development. So if you look at the fight and figure out that if it's not numerically possible to clear with four DPS and tanks, you'll need to make up the gap with DPS from healers. Then when those publish clear videos and other people see the healers DPSing, they might think that healers need to be DPSing even though its a situation that only arose because their clear would have otherwise been impossible.

Yoshi doesn't want people to feel like they have to and doesn't want the top tier, world first players to make others feel it's necessary either. The fact that in one short quote he emphasized twice (technically three times now that I reread it) that healers do not need to dps should be all you need. Any healer that wants to dps while also performing their other duties at a top level is going to be doing more yes. But healers that don't dps much or at all when it's not otherwise easy to do so (aka they are standing around doing nothing with plenty of mana, clearly that's a bad healer), should not be called "bad" for not doing something the designers are not expecting them to do. They are good healers doing what's expected of their job and doing it well. This sort of toxic attitude you guys are putting out is really detrimental to the community. Instead of putting people down for merely trying to meet expectations to the best of their ability and telling them they're not good enough, try something more positive and less hostile.

[Gallus]

Well you can't actually use that argument cause they do take tank dps into account when designing the encounters. That's actually in the quote. Did you read the full quote?

I read the full quote. Pretty sure SE never intended T2 to be done with 1 tank in off stance permanently.

[Gallus]

Any healer that wants to dps while also performing their other duties at a top level is going to be doing more yes.

Exactly

This sort of toxic attitude you guys are putting out is really detrimental to the community. Instead of putting people down for merely trying to meet expectations to the best of their ability and telling them they're not good enough, try something more positive and less hostile.

Do not generalize, I never asked another healer myself to DPS or aimed them with a gun telling them that if they did they were bad, no, never. But that doesn't mean that, when the topic arises on a forum, I'll post my opinion about it, because I genuinely think that "that healer in Ravana EX could've helped the party in clearing that 1% wipe where they twiddled their thumbs for the entire duration of prelude to liberation, liberation, swift liberation and final liberation." Also, you don't need to be mr.happy or among first world clears to bring in DPS there. This is a very wrong perception. Top tier raiders will just find more gaps to DPS, will do it better, safer and more efficiently, but this game has the most blatant downtimes I've ever seen in a videogame. Stuff like nerve gas from T11, overcharge from T10, black fires from T12...and a million more situations, you really really need to want to afk. I remember yesterday my static WHM said "I don't want to DPS this time around, I'm feeling slackish lol ^^". Well, he could handle 3 turns not doing so because he was falling asleep on the keyboard in T1. We both bring there an average of 550 DPS, so that's more than 1k DPS raidwide damage. What do you exactly do there as a "healer who doesn't want to DPS"? You literally spend 70% of the fight afking and overhealing? I mean fine...you will still not wipe, but oh man lol.

[Leiloni]

**big rant**

I actually do dps whenever I can but your overreaction is exactly my point. And in many situations some other healers may not feel comfortable slacking on heals to dps, because more often than not you don't have sitautions where there's a phase the tank is taking no damage, you've got plenty of mana and can just spam the deeps. Those are select fights and outside of that, there are healers who may not yet feel up to it, especially in Duty Finder when the skills of your group are often questionable. I don't think having a hostile attitude towards our fellow healers is really the way to encourage them to try harder. Putting people down has never gotten people to be better. All it does it make them feel bad and less likely to even want to try.