I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

[Wavaryen]

This play style should have been just for mch. Why have two classes almost a like? *besides rotation* I feel like it is just bad game design. Why did bards need to have this skill and lower dps? Is it because they are support dps? If that is so why do warriors who are tanks get to do good dps?

It is all so wishy washy that I don't even know what they developers are thinking, but I can tell you this. It feels lazy in game design, and the clunky feeling of the class with WM just supports that.

[AdamFyi]

Why did bards need to have this skill and lower dps? Is it because they are support dps?

I have to stop you right there. If this notion is true in that Minuet lowers your overall damage output, then the entire "playstyle change" fiasco players have been complaining about becomes unfounded. You literally wouldn't even need to activate Minuet at all if it ever lowered the damage output.

If that is so why do warriors who are tanks get to do good dps?

Warriors, unlike the Paladin and Dark Knight, was built around high damage and high sustain. This stems from the 2.0 Warrior design in which they needed to deal high amounts of damage to sustain themselves with their HP restorative abilities. In return for their high damage and high sustain design, they had very few mitigation abilities at the time.

[Wavaryen]

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This is my fault for not going into details what I mean.

What I mean is that we pay a price with some songs, and not doing as much dps as other range classes in the name of support dps. This support dps gets used very rarely outside of a good chunk of the game. Yet, we have a warrior class who can do both roles and pretty darn well at them both. Mind you I have seen some amazing numbers at times from bards so things are better in that sense with the hotfix.

From my perspective, that is unfair game design. HOWEVER I can understand why people feel it is not, and respect that. It leaves a nasty taste in my mouth that a expansion comes out, and we get a play style change, instead of better songs for groups.

[AdamFyi]

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Ah, that makes more sense.

However, like I said earlier, Warriors were designed with high damage in mind. This is because their kit needs the damage to be able to sustain itself. The design isn't unfair to an extent. It's because the design of the Job was to deal good damage to keep itself up in the first place. That is the job of the Tank. Ranged DPS are at an advantage as they are not taking the brunt force of the enemy attacks and are almost completely mobile. On top of that, they are able to help sustain the party if anything goes awry. The trade-off is that they don't deal as high damage as other jobs.

[Wavaryen]

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Yup, but the design of bard has change from devs own views they told us. We went from a mobile dps, to a support dps. The MP/TP songs are very strong, but we don't use it as much as I would like, If we are label "support" dps, I would have wanted better game play choices for that support.

Haste song?
Magic resist Song?
Hp regen song? (heck even our story line bard friend had this one.)
Song Of piercing? song of slashing?

The skill would come from how we use our MP, and what songs should be used depending on group makeup and what is going down. To me that spells more of a support dps, than what we have now.