I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

[Zyrusticae]

Ironically, your own argument can be used against you and your side.

Many whiners are attempting to speak for all BRD players, saying the new playstyle choices "aren't fun". I've been running Alex on my BRD and been doing just fine, having a blast. To me, WM is perfectly "fun".

Your opinion is visibly a minority and largely meaningless in the face of the mass bard exodus that has occurred since 3.0.

In case you didn't know, Bard went from the single most popular job to the second-LEAST popular after Machinist. When a little over half of the players are straight-up jumping ship, you know you dun goofed.

(On the flipside, Summoner suddenly being so popular could be a bunch of people bandwagoning, or just a bunch of people drawn to it by Akh Morn, and who could blame them?)

[Kaedan94]

Your opinion is visibly a minority and largely meaningless in the face of the mass bard exodus that has occurred since 3.0.

LOL

Ahh, the age old fallacy of "I see more people complaining about it than not".

Firstly, that's anecdotal. Personally, I've seen far more people fine with/ok/liking the new mechanics than I've seen complain about it. So which one of us is correct? The answer is neither.

Secondly, the forums in no way represent the majority, nor can you determine what the vast majority feel from the forums.

Thirdly, people who are upset about something are far, far more vocal than people content. People are far more likely to make a post and whine about something than make a post and praise something. That's why even with the most successful games in history, their forums are filled with nothing but vitriol... because the people who are actually content with the game are PLAYING the game, and the people not are whining about it.

tl;dr No. If anyone can be said to be a vocal minority, it's anyone whining about anything on the forums.

[Nestama]

In case you didn't know, Bard went from the single most popular job to the second-LEAST popular after Machinist. When a little over half of the players are straight-up jumping ship, you know you dun goofed.

Pretty sure 3091 votes barely counts as 1% of the FFXIV community.

[Kaedan94]

Pretty sure 3091 votes barely counts as 1% of the FFXIV community.

Actually, it's 0.001% (and that's being nice, rounding up). ^_^

Plus there's huge self-select bias, rendering any statistical relevance NULL.

[Zyrusticae]

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While you are correct on these points, you are still in the minority here. Polls speak for themselves. From most popular to second least popular among DPS classes cannot be construed as a coincidence.

Pretty sure 3091 votes barely counts as 1% of the FFXIV community.

Take some statistics classes. You only need a sample size in the hundreds to have a statistically significant sample.

Here's a more recent poll with nearly 9000 respondents if you must be skeptical. Poor AST is doing even worse now...

[Kaedan]

While you are correct on these points, you are still in the minority here. Polls speak for themselves. From most popular to second least popular among DPS classes cannot be construed as a coincidence.


Take some statistics classes. You only need a sample size in the hundreds to have a statistically significant sample.

Here's a more recent poll with nearly 9000 respondents if you must be skeptical. Poor AST is doing even worse now...

LOL

Either you took 101 statistics and got a D or something, or you quickly tried to google statistics when I brought it up. Either way, you don't know what you're talking about.


1) You have no data or evidence to make any claim about minority or majority, for one. The voices of the people who are happy with the job and don't come to the forums because they are happily playing the game are not represented. Besides that, the forums themselves are an extremely small minority of players. Maybe, MAYBE about 1-5% of players post here. 5% is being extremely generous.

2) Sample size is only one part of statistics. It's true that a larger sample size reduces the margin of error. But reducing the margin of error when your data is tainted by bias is worthless. You could have a sample size of 100,000 and it wouldn't mean jack due to bias (self-selection being the major culprit).

One of the biggest things that urks me is people who tell other people to "take some classes" and the go on to spout words that prove they themselves have no idea what they're talking about.

Even if it doesnt contain votes from them, it's a good rough look at the scale of things for NA. I feel like everyone used to main bard just by the sheer amount of them, but this makes me curious what the estimates were before HW. Did the bard population drop to an all time low, or have we always been around this mark?

Absolutely not. The self-selection bias makes that data completely worthless.

[Zyrusticae]

Here's a more detailed poll showing a significant number of respondents were heavily disappointed by the state of BRD in 3.0. Amusingly, the number of people disappointed by it is twice as high as the number of respondents choosing to continue to main BRD.

Obviously, some skepticism is warranted due to the fact that people disappointed with bard want to make their grievances known, but then again, even more people are disappointed by AST and, gods, MCH is doing the worst by far on every single poll related to jobs. The trend is extremely obvious at this point.

1) You have no data or evidence to make any claim about minority or majority, for one. The voices of the people who are happy with the job and don't come to the forums because they are happily playing the game are not represented. Besides that, the forums themselves are an extremely small minority of players. Maybe, MAYBE about 1-5% of players post here. 5% is being extremely generous.

2) Sample size is only one part of statistics. It's true that a larger sample size reduces the margin of error. But reducing the margin of error when your data is tainted by bias is worthless. You could have a sample size of 100,000 and it wouldn't mean jack due to bias (self-selection being the major culprit).

First of all, you are presenting yourself with a level of arrogance that makes you completely insufferable to speak to. Maybe you'd do better by focusing more on information and less on trying to put down others.

Secondly, these polls are heavily sourced from reddit and random linking from poll participants (i.e. "word of mouth"), neither of which are heavily biased sources (especially when it comes to something as simple and inane as what class players are using). Many(/most) players use reddit simply to see content related to the game, not to complain like they often intend to do when visiting the official forums. The most-upvoted content is invariably entertaining or positive content rather than complaint threads.

Thirdly, even if there were an inherent self-selection bias, the number of bard players dropping like flies is still indicative of a worrying trend. Disappointed BRD players alone could not skew the poll so heavily towards non-BRD classes. There simply aren't enough BRD players around to do such a thing.

(The funny thing, however, is simply the fact that MCH is doing the worst by far despite all of this, and yet I have not seen nearly as much complaining about them on the forums, probably because no one plays them. All I can do is shrug my shoulders and hope SE does something to make us more desirable to play as. If not, well, I'll gladly take the hipster cred and play the undisputed least popular job in the entire bloody game.)