Oh, so FFXIV is pay-to-win? That's... stupid.

[Rath]

Im a crafter first most, not only a gatherer like your friend. Unlike her im still making millions a day even with heavy competition. Having stockpiled resources means I wont have to buy leather off the mb for 30k each every time someone decides to buy out the mbs stock.
I already used most of those. Thats the difference: You sell materials, while I craft those into items and sell them for more.

Okay, taking your bait here. I was not baiting you btw, I was actually trying to figure out how to fill 2 retainers with current materials when I fit them all on me as a lvl 60 grandmaster of the hand/land. The Only HW item I have placed in my retainers is thav silk. That is just there until I get enough to use them.

First I sell the extra felts I make. I desynth 100 or 200 NPC items a day for various things as my desynth skills are 175+. I do not keep extras lying around. I sell leftover felts for 25k each now in stacks of 5 or 10, I used to sell them for 200k each. I make gathering and crafting gear from them and sell the rest. The same goes with anything I mine up. I mine when I want to make something and do not feel like buying the mats for it, maybe keep a few nuggets/ingots of HW mats in my INVENTORY, not on a retainer. I will either use them or sell them by the end of the evening. Everything you could possibly need to craft HW items fits on you, but you said you have them on retainers. That is not using them it is storing them.


You can buy skins for 2-3k each and make your leather, the people that buy those 30k leathers usually hand them to a crafter to make something for them lol. Also, I am unsure why you are making HQ 1 star mats, unless you mean you are making HQ mats that are currently used for lvl 60 1 star recipes, in which case I am still not sure why as they are easily HQ'd with NQ mats with melded gear. If you are speculating on the next set of recipes, I wish you luck, otherwise I am sure they will sit on your retainer forever and that is a pity.

As for my friend, she makes that much gil a day from selling gathering materials. I have not inquired about her crafting and other sources of income. She had stacks of items like volcanic rocksalts, dez tomatoes HQ, steel ingots, rosegold nuggets, food out the wazoo! All stuff that she had planned to sell or use at one point but then just never got to it because she was always getting other materials to sell. Some things sold as is, others I quicksynthed into stuff I could liquidate. Some shit I even listed on PF and sold bulk.

[Aeyis]

I make gathering and crafting gear from them and sell the rest. The same goes with anything I mine up. I mine when I want to make something and do not feel like buying the mats for it, maybe keep a few nuggets/ingots of HW mats in my INVENTORY, not on a retainer. I will either use them or sell them by the end of the evening. Everything you could possibly need to craft HW items fits on you, but you said you have them on retainers. That is not using them it is storing them.

I dont just have those on my retainers, I also have them on me. I simply shift them around depending on my current needs, as I dont have enough room in my inventory to carry them all.
My inventory isnt perfect by any means, but its a good example. If I had the spare time I would make the raw materials into HQ refined items, but that would require quite a lot of time.

Making them into nq is fast, but then you run into that problem where you need HQ star saphires but you only have NQ ones and no raw ones left. Or used your Darkchestnut logs for leather and now you have none left for Darkchestnut Lumber.


Selling things is good and all, but the problem is when you cant rely on market prices to be low. On my server its not uncommon for things such leather to be nearly completely bought out from day to day, raising its prices significantly when that happens.

Desynth is a useful way to obtain materials yes, but only if you have one leveled, and then only of a select type of materials.


I've already run into some issues because I decided to completely convert some raw materials into refined ones. While it saved up inventory slots it also cost me time because I no longer had the means to create them in HQ.

You can buy skins for 2-3k each

Prices vary on the server. Since people buy a lot of skins here they can get quite expansive.

and make your leather, the people that buy those 30k leathers

The ones that buy them here typically craft them into equipment items themselves. Because those sell for far more then the leather they are made of.

Also, I am unsure why you are making HQ 1 star mats, unless you mean you are making HQ mats that are currently used for lvl 60 1 star recipes, in which case I am still not sure why as they are easily HQ'd with NQ mats with melded gear.

Full melded perhaps. Materia prices are rather high on my server, so that level of melds isnt easy to obtain. HQing from NQ isnt quite possible below then. (not at a 100% or near chance anyway, which is a must have if you plan on selling)
The amount of good draughts is simply too high to HQ from NQ..

As for my friend, she makes that much gil a day from selling gathering materials.

Thing is, if she only stored worthless items her inventory wouldnt even be worth 1m. If you could sell it for that much then it was precisely because she kept valuable items.