Machinist superior then bards?

[Haxetc]

If you're redeploying during Hypercharge you're bad lol. There shouldn't be a task to move your turret within the 15sec Hypercharge is active. The thing I was talking about with redeploying and using promotion is if there is a time where you're apostates from your healers and they need ballad but you can't reach them, a MCH turret could be deployed in their vicinity and still hit them with Ballad.

[HairyRoger]

Yea, so you give and take. We can't run around with a magical dps increase to the team and you can't split your aura from yourself. BRD can decrease magic resistance on demand, we have to use hypercharge to do the same and I think the physical version is more useful than the magical one for us. I can't debuff and at the same time have the ability to hypercharge the regen. In terms of team support, I don't think MCH is superior to BRD by any means. As for DPS, we seem to be around the same dps.

You say you nerf 15% flat and we only lose 10ish%. I disagree because of the fact that hypercharge is a significant increase in dps, especially during a wildfire. I can see us being quite equal when it comes to dps lost.

[JohnMccain]

"Grants a 50% chance that critical damage over time inflicted by Venomous Bite or Windbite will reset the Bloodletter recast timer."

Just because it only displays numbers every 3 seconds doesn't mean everything that you can't see is happening every 3 seconds.

Why?

Because we are trying to figure out when the DoT damage is "going out in the 3s window", potentially activating river of blood. That was the whole point right?

As for what you and some others experience, I think what it might be is packet loss. The animation goes off but the skill didn't register server side, making it look like a proc. Next time it happens check and see if the damage numbers are showing up on the target.

[Haxetc]

You say you nerf 15% flat and we only lose 10ish%. I disagree because of the fact that hypercharge is a significant increase in dps, especially during a wildfire. I can see us being quite equal when it comes to dps lost.

http://i.imgur.com/aRqzEMH.png While the MCH DPS could be better the Rook will always be consistent. The rook in this parse is about 12.5% of my total dps so as the actual MCH gameplay is perfected the percentage the rook is contributing will go down.

[Felessan]

Which, frankly, is irrelevant how it happens as long as it can happen. Doesn't matter whether it's design or latency, a wasted proc due to a double proc is a wasted proc due to a double proc.

It does matter. Server/Network glitch is a glitch, not an expected behavior.
You don't normally build you rotation around glitches, although rotation might help with some glitches. Do you really think that SE should bow down to your problems and redesign class just because some glitches might cause double proc?

Skill rollbacks also happens in bad network/server situation - should we legitimately think that it is "normal" situation while building a rotation? And lag spikes with game freezes can ruin almost anything - should we also ask for something to "compensate" in such situations?
Don't be ridiculous. S**t happens and double proc is abnormal behavior from game mechanics perspective (=shouldn't ever happens) - i.e. there is no point to specifically address it and not overall "server lags and stuff".

[HairyRoger]

http://i.imgur.com/aRqzEMH.png While the MCH DPS could be better the Rook will always be consistent. The rook in this parse is about 12.5% of my total dps so as the actual MCH gameplay is perfected the percentage the rook is contributing will go down.

Fair enough that the turret is doing that dps. I have not checked so im not going to contest it. Take into consideration that this also means that you lose 24(?) seconds of 5% vulnerability for you and the entire physical lineup. Lined up with other classes burst, it adds up. All in all both classes lose a good chunk of dps potential, not only your own. I think the classes are too similar the way they are now. If each one has different strengths, that is a welcome thing.

[Aiselia]

It does matter.

Actually, it doesn't, because the argument stemmed from the statement that it was impossible to happen. If something can cause it to happen, then clearly it's not impossible.

Do you really think that SE should bow down to your problems and redesign class just because some glitches might cause double proc?

I didn't say that in any way, so I'll thank you to not make up strawmen to attack.

And, in fact, I'm not asking them to redesign the class. I want them to un-redesign it, in fact. The problems stem FROM the redesign.

[OPneedNerfs]

Let's not forget about the 3.0 patch notes shall we?

[2.0] Player attributes have been adjusted as follows:
Skilspeed and spellspeed now affect damage over time and healing over time effects.

[Ephier]

Let's not forget about the 3.0 patch notes shall we?

Does not speed them up. It just makes them tick harder. DET for DoTs.