Ninja: Heaven-Sword (And Beyond)

[Arkenne]

If there is a WAR in the party

Usually depending on others can be quite tricky.
Would recommend go MU » SF first and see if they apply StrEye by then. If not then DE might be the way to go till you see that thing going... (also if there is another NIN)

[Knj]

Do we have any updates on the "Mudra Lag" situation?

[Ephier]

Do we have any updates on the "Mudra Lag" situation?

Yoshi said in the live letter, pretty much no fix. Armor crush is the bandaid fix so you do not have to deal with huton.

[Korashy]

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The reason you want to start out with DE is because you trick attack right after, so that you not only get 20% extra damage on on hit for SF and MUT, but also 10% DoT damage for SF and MuT, while also having Trick up while everyone is using their opening burst + bringing it off cooldown the quicker.

Basically by going DE -> Trick -> Sf -> Mut, you can get in all OCD's besides either Kassatsu or Duality. While all your damage amps are up.

Obviously this relies on pulls being coordinated with your tanks.

[Arkenne]

Reasons to begin with DE

Yea, if you have TA at hand DE is a better starter.
NIN has a lot of IFs O_o;;

Would recommend using it like DE > SE(TA) > SF > MU » AE tho

[silentwindfr]

Yoshi said in the live letter, pretty much no fix. Armor crush is the bandaid fix so you do not have to deal with huton.

it's more they can't fix it without modify either the mudra system or change the netcode, the trouble is asking to our computer and the server to trade data every 0.5 second.
by example i have often 140ms, meaning the time i do the mudra is not 0.5, but 0.64... one skill is not that bad, but 2-3 skill become a trouble.

another point, it's not 3 stage mudra, but 4 skill since ninjutsu is counted to into it. for me:
- a 3 stage mudra end with a 2.56 sec...
- a 2 stage mudra end with a 1.92 sec...

the trouble is i'm around 2.03 sec for the gcd.

the principle of the mudra is amazing, sadly with them netcode and the server not always at the best place for the player.... it become the worst system ever seen into a mmorpg. do they can solve it? nope

[Korashy]

Yea, if you have TA at hand DE is a better starter.
NIN has a lot of IFs O_o;;

Would recommend using it like DE > SE(TA) > SF > MU » AE tho

If you are going with AE + Duality, you won't fit Kassatsu. But yeah, that's what I usually do, then naturally Raiton when it's up + Kassatsu Raiton fight after.

[Ephier]

it's more they can't fix it without modify either the mudra system or change the netcode, the trouble is asking to our computer and the server to trade data every 0.5 second.
by example i have often 140ms, meaning the time i do the mudra is not 0.5, but 0.64... one skill is not that bad, but 2-3 skill become a trouble.

another point, it's not 3 stage mudra, but 4 skill since ninjutsu is counted to into it. for me:
- a 3 stage mudra end with a 2.56 sec...
- a 2 stage mudra end with a 1.92 sec...

the trouble is i'm around 2.03 sec for the gcd.

the principle of the mudra is amazing, sadly with them netcode and the server not always at the best place for the player.... it become the worst system ever seen into a mmorpg. do they can solve it? nope

Oh trust me, I know the problem and whats wrong with it. They should have overhauled the system. Even if they do add european servers for EU players, does not fix people who live in the states on the west coast and what not. I have 100 ping and still have slow mudras. But they seem to not be able to fix the problem so I just jumped ship. o7

[Arkenne]

If you are going with AE + Duality, you won't fit Kassatsu. But yeah, that's what I usually do, then naturally Raiton when it's up + Kassatsu Raiton fight after.

Nah, the thing that can't fit is actually Raiton. Unless your ping is on about 50.

If you go with 20~40s Huton wait time:

Suiton > SE(BFB) > GS(Kassatsu) > DE(IR) > SE(TA) > SF(Ninjutsu) > MU(Dream) > SE(Mug) > GS(Dual) > AE(Jug)

Jugulate will not reach the TA, but if your ping is reliable enough you can do Dual + Jug before AE, risking AE to get out of the TA window, but still higher chance of happening.
Whenever possible I use this opener.

[Aiurily]

If you are going with AE + Duality, you won't fit Kassatsu. But yeah, that's what I usually do, then naturally Raiton when it's up + Kassatsu Raiton fight after.

you can fit duality ae+kassatsu; you'll have to double up on ogcds but it's better than nothing

old - ir>se>bfb>gs>pot>de>suiton>se>trick>sf>kass>muti>fuma>se>dwad+mug>gs>duality>ae>jugulate

with raiton instead of fuma in case you have foes, just move mug to after AE and move jugualte up one rotation. or just run with a machinist and do fuma anyway

right now there's about no reason not to pre mudra suiton though; why do a 3 step and clip gcd in the middle of your rotation when you can do it prepull now? since mudra timers aren't as much of an issue anymore with AC

newish - suiton>se>ir>gs>xpot>de>bfb>se>trick>sf>kass>muti>fuma>se>dwad+mug>gs>duality>ae>jugulate

the later than normal bfb timing lines it up better with dwad and duality, too, so that you can get it on your 2nd and 3rd set of dwad/duality