Bard and Wanderer's Minuet use it

[Maero]

lol yeah ok.... whatever makes you sleep at night
Fact has been even before changes to playstyle were done there was many very bad Bards out there, ran with one the other day that was only doing like 200 dps, god that was awful

[SovereignAegis]

I bet that I can out dps you without using WM in most fights. At least if randoms from pf and df are any indication of how wm bards play.

I think this is actually true in a lot of cases because you can weave off-gcd abilities in 100% easier and have auto attacks.

30% seems like a lot but the loss of auto attacks makes it less significant. With the reduction in potency of the iron jaws and emp arrow... Its hard to say.

I hink there is a dps increase using WM but I do not believe it significant enough to warrant use.

[Malevicton]

I bet that I can out dps you without using WM in most fights. At least if randoms from pf and df are any indication of how wm bards play.

I can out-dps most df blm by spamming blizz1. That doesn't mean I'm playing well, or that I shouldn't bother trying to play better.

I hink there is a dps increase using WM but I do not believe it significant enough to warrant use.

you're a dps class. Any increase is enough to warrant use.

[Cirgellon]

I can out-dps most df blm by spamming blizz1. That doesn't mean I'm playing well, or that I shouldn't bother trying to play better.



you're a dps class. Any increase is enough to warrant use.

Then get a bard and use WM. Have fun with it.

Me? I already play better.

[Malevicton]

Then get a bard and use WM. Have fun with it.

Me? I already play better.

Do whatever you want. I'm just saying that if you're comparing yourself to bad players that doesn't make you good. If you used wm properly you'd do higher dps than what you do now. That's just mathematically true. You don't wanna use it, fine. But you not using it is a net loss no matter what comparisons you try to make.

[Cirgellon]

Do whatever you want. I'm just saying that if you're comparing yourself to bad players that doesn't make you good. If you used wm properly you'd do higher dps than what you do now. That's just mathematically true. You don't wanna use it, fine. But you not using it is a net loss no matter what comparisons you try to make.

If you can prove that statement, I'll change my mind. Do you main bard? Do you have parses and maybe a rotation you are using? I have yet to see an increase in any real fights. I tried it before and after the changes. Ogcd usage and auto attack elimination, all with less mobility = no damage increase for me.

[MoonPhaseAlpha]

Personally, I use Wanderer's Minuet when going through trash mobs in a dungeon or when I'm playing solo doing daily stuff like hunt marks or beastmen tribe quests. Most of the time I'm just standing there anyway, might as well have it up for increased dmg to get through those mobs quicker to get to the bosses or to finish a quest objective. For the bosses, I turn it off since I find myself running around the place, dodging AOEs quite a bit.

Each bard has their own play style, this is mine and I main bard.

[Malevicton]

If you can prove that statement, I'll change my mind. Do you main bard? Do you have parses and maybe a rotation you are using? I have yet to see an increase in any real fights. I tried it before and after the changes. Ogcd usage and auto attack elimination, all with less mobility = no damage increase for me.

Here's a video from a better brd than myself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Ub0DVUp2c

One of the first lines of the video: "Let's get one thing straight, Wanderer's Minuet is not an option"

Besides that, let me turn the question back around: do you have any theorycrafting or comparitive parses (not to terrible players) that prove in any way that it's a dps loss? Anything to convince me other than "I think I'm a good brd and my gut says it's bad"? You can still use your ogcd, just not 2 per attack, auto attack's are easily made up for by the dmg buff, and mobility is just a playstyle preference with no bearing on your dps.

[AdamFyi]

30% seems like a lot but the loss of auto attacks makes it less significant.

Actually, a flat 30% damage boost to all of your abilities is nothing to scoff at. It includes everything from oGCD abilities and your DoTs as well. Sure, without WM, you can do double weaving instead of single weaving, but what happens when you run out of oGCD abilities to use?

[Cirgellon]

Did you open the video? :P

I edited my last post but I don't have sound at work. My headphones are broke and I can't listen to it without them. The video doesn't seem to have a comparison or a parse though. It looks like you are taking his word for it while not taking mine... I play the class. I see the dps... It's not like Im arguing from your PoV, as someone who doesn't play the class. That's why I'm asking you where you are getting your information. It clearly isn't coming from first hand knowledge.

I didn't even argue with you on which was better. I said that I don't have more dps with WM. If you can show me that it's better as you aim, I will change my opinion of it. There is no argument if you don't have that information. You are telling me that I'm wrong without even playing the class...

"You don't lose dps when you have to move and can no longer use skills on the move! It's just a prefernce!"... Honestly, I don't even know why I continued after that lol...