Bard and Wanderer's Minuet use it

[Verius_Nox]

My point is, If they don't wanna use it, then let them be, no need to force them or anything. You'll get smoother run.

You're right. I should adopt this strategy for when I level my paladin. Only going to use Riot blade. You can't force me to use Rage of Halone. It'll be smoother runs. I promise.

[PriscillaX]

tldr "we cant just sit back and hit 11111 and up keep a whole 2 dots and think were not support dps",a good bard will only move when needed a terrible bard will run around like a chicken with there head cut off
unfortunely for us about 85% of the commuity is the latter and the good ones will which will be hard to find because there with people that are competent, a good bard will use WM and do dmg while terrible brd will do subpar dmg and be a POS waste of space who dont know how to buttons, so pretty much everyone who complains about WM being bad.

[AkashiXI]

I've been trying really hard to like this job, and at the moment I can't. I love the idea of WM, but the implementation is leaving a sour taste in my mouth. The fluidity, the timing of cooldowns, the idea that Bard is becoming a turret and we can't help with mechanics (unless we sacrifice dps), and the general leniency melee have over range is all disheartening. I'm not quite done with Bard, but I don't enjoy thinking of their future.

[nuyu11]

With my experience so far, Bard DPS is not high like melee but we can maintain our dps even with heavy mechanic like Alex floor 4. For melee they can up to 1.4k DPS but can drop to 600 in a second, Bard not like that we can maintain DPS because we are semi mobile. From what I see overall DPS from Alex fight for Bard and Melee DPS is not much different.

What I don't like is Bard now can be consider difficult to use... I've seen lately lvl60 healer MP easily to drain at Alex floor 4, bit hard to manage song when you have 2 BLM in party and to check your rotation because WM need you to stay focus with CD and many things.

But I love it when I can burst add up to 3/4 their HP with EA.

[Zephyranthes]

Because I didn't roll and main a bard to have the playstyle completely change in the expansion. I'll see if it's now at least useable after the fixes, but I'm primarily going to continue playing the way I want. Thanks.

Sure go ahead. Waste the skills SE gave you to have more DPS.

WM is used when you don't have to move and dodge AOEs. If you still run around like a headless chicken even if there's no need to dodge anything then the problem is in your end.

[Cakekizy]

My issue with it is I enjoy faceroll easy content in what is supposed to be a casual game, but seems everyone is asking for harder and harder game. Getting to point I don't think you can consider it a casual game anymore.

[Nestama]

It depends on what your opinion on face-roll easy is. If it's mini-boss in F1 face-roll, then I'm sorry, but... no. I find that very boring. If it's F1 Opressor, then fine. That has mechanics you can't ignore and is pretty neat.

Wanderer's Minuet doesn't make BRD hard. It just gives it more abilities to use and a somewhat different playstyle. I'm honestly surprised there's not a flood of BLM complaint topics about, because Enochian and Blizzard IV annoy the hell out of me sometime's (before we only had to worry about Astral and Umbral and MP, but not by a huge margin. Now we have to grow seven eyes and have them all focusing on buff timers and remaining MP and how long a spell will take the cast and... gurgh).

[MistyMew]

It depends on what your opinion on face-roll easy is. If it's mini-boss in F1 face-roll, then I'm sorry, but... no. I find that very boring. If it's F1 Opressor, then fine. That has mechanics you can't ignore and is pretty neat.

Wanderer's Minuet doesn't make BRD hard. It just gives it more abilities to use and a somewhat different playstyle. I'm honestly surprised there's not a flood of BLM complaint topics about, because Enochian and Blizzard IV annoy the hell out of me sometime's (before we only had to worry about Astral and Umbral and MP, but not by a huge margin. Now we have to grow seven eyes and have them all focusing on buff timers and remaining MP and how long a spell will take the cast and... gurgh).

Nestama I fully agree with every comment you made in this thread ...every single one. It is so refreshing to hear the reality of BLM, the severe limitations of the timers and bad design in no way can be compared to the BRD changes. (i have compassion for any person that has not liked their job changes but they can not be compared)

Sadly long time blm like myself , Im simply gathering some gear atm as BLM and will immediately switch to SMN after thats finished. BLM can be tucked away forever until they see that the mobility restrictions, non refreshing timers...are simply not well designed for the 99% movement fights that they keep adding.

I was all for learning a new rotation and using new spells...np there at all, but they simply are not being realistic.

As blm anything that screws up the timers being refreshed (which is very often with so many fights that focus aoe on blm ..bosses that become untargettable, long periods of aoe waves etc... have actually hurt blm far more then a short interrupt of brd. At least they can start at full potency again after moving...but with blm its usually not the case...its yet another painfully slow start IF timers are reset...and pray that aoe leave us alone for 3 s ...which tbh is very very rare.

SMN is so much more enjoyable and realistic and will definately be new main.

[Maero]

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Again i applaud you, you actually understand unlike all the other people, haha
I have said it before just like blm there is a threshold that your attack will still go off if you move. People seem to be not aware of this.
I keep Minuet up almost all the time and have no issues.

Would you accept a summoner or scholar not using their pet because they "don't like managing it"?
A paladin not turning on shield oath when tanking because "I can hold aggro just fine"?
A black mage not using enochian because "I didn't sign up to manage a stack"?
Hell, would you accept another bard not using Wind Bite/Venomous Shot because "I'm not here to play a DoT class"?
etc etc

The price you're paying isn't just what you're paying - it's what you're making everyone else that you play with pay too, because you're choosing to sabotage your own capabilities, so they have to make up for yours.

It's no use the person you quoted bitches ALL the time about Bard. Perhaps the issue at hand is the operator

[Cirgellon]

I bet that I can out dps you without using WM in most fights. At least if randoms from pf and df are any indication of how wm bards play.

Then you may end up being kicked for not using it and that won't be fun i'm guessing

Never happens. I have yet to use it and I've been in a LOT of dungeons, trials, and raids since HW. I took an entire week off and just played this game. No one has kicked me. They have had to kick others for poor dps in the new extreme trials though. I have yet to be one of the worst dps in the group.